acronyms revision 1.236
11.236Sdholland$NetBSD: acronyms,v 1.236 2015/05/09 18:18:32 dholland Exp $ 21.194Sjruoho10Q thank you 31.194Sjruoho10X thanks 41.197Sdholland1337 elite ("leet") 51.194Sjruoho224 today, tomorrow, forever 61.197Sdholland31337 elite ("eleet") 71.194Sjruoho4TW for the win 81.228SrodentA/S/L age/sex/location 91.204SjruohoAAMOF as a matter of fact 101.221SdhollandABD all but dissertation 111.194SjruohoAC audible chuckle 121.221SdhollandADD attention deficit disorder 131.221SdhollandADHD attention deficit (and) hyperactivity disorder 141.204SjruohoADN any day now 151.221SdhollandADOS attention deficit ... oh, shiny! 161.192SjruohoAEAP as early as possible 171.194SjruohoAFAIAC as far as I am concerned 181.139SkeihanAFAIC as far as I'm concerned 191.214SwizAFAICR as far as I can {recall,remember} 201.194SjruohoAFAICS as far as I can see 211.1SmycroftAFAICT as far as I can tell 221.1SmycroftAFAIK as far as I know 231.214SwizAFAIR as far as I {recall,remember} 241.104SlukemAFAIU as far as I understand 251.99SlukemAFD away from desktop 261.30SaugustssAFK away from keyboard 271.96ShubertfAFW away from window 281.205StronAGM annual general meeting 291.194SjruohoAINEC and it's not even close 301.203SjruohoAISE as I see it 311.104SlukemAIU as I understand 321.90SjsmAIUI as I understand it 331.50StronAKA also known as 341.214SwizAM ante meridiem 351.194SjruohoAMOL a mountain of love 361.124SwizASAIC as soon as I can 371.29SmycroftASAP as soon as possible 381.225SrodentASL age/sex/location 391.192SjruohoATEOTD at the end of the day 401.115SsaloATM at the moment 411.214SwizATM {automated,automatic} teller machine 421.194SjruohoATW around the world 431.214SwizAWK Aho, Weinberger, [and] Kernighan 441.81SlukemAWOL absent without official leave 451.79SlukemAYBABTU all your base are belong to us 461.203SjruohoAYF all your fault 471.204SjruohoAYOR at your own risk 481.144SsketchAYT are you there 491.228SrodentB& banned 501.115SsaloB/C because 511.189SdhollandB/W bandwidth 521.131SjmmvB/W between 531.228SrodentBAI goodbye 541.203SjruohoBAK back at keyboard 551.133SjmmvBBIAB be back in a bit 561.2SmycroftBBL [I'll] be back later 571.204SjruohoBBR burnt beyond repair 581.35StsarnaBBS be back soon 591.54SenamiBBT be back tomorrow 601.172SbillcBCNU be seeing you 611.172SbillcBCNUL8R be seeing you later 621.214SwizBCP best current practice 631.194SjruohoBF best friend 641.194SjruohoBF boyfriend 651.225SrodentBFF best {friend,friends} forever 661.2SmycroftBIAB back in a bit 671.2SmycroftBIAF back in a few 681.81SlukemBIALW back in a little while 691.19SchristosBIAS back in a second 701.2SmycroftBIAW back in a while 711.194SjruohoBNYA burned now you are 721.203SjruohoBOC but of course 731.72SbriggsBOFH bastard operator from hell 741.204SjruohoBOT back on topic 751.4SmycroftBRB [I'll] be right back 761.209SmbalmerBSD booze, sex, drugs 771.44SdrochnerBTDT been there, done that 781.203SjruohoBTFT been there, fixed that 791.92ScgdBTTH boot to the head 801.1SmycroftBTW by the way 811.227SrodentBYOB bring your own {beer,booze} 821.204SjruohoCC credit card 831.214SwizCEO chief executive officer 841.181SdhollandCFV call for votes 851.204SjruohoCFY calling for you 861.191SdhollandCG center of gravity 871.228SrodentCHANOPS channel operator status 881.37SadCMIIW correct me if I'm wrong 891.33SaugustssCNP continued [in my] next post 901.111SjwiseCOB close of business [day] 911.140SjschaumaCOTS commercial off-the-shelf 921.203SjruohoCPC cost per click 931.222SginsbachCPE customer premises equipment 941.204SjruohoCTN can't talk now 951.192SjruohoCU see you 961.214SwizCUL see you later 971.227SrodentCYA see ya 981.52SpookaCYA see you around 991.204SjruohoCYE check your email 1001.221SdhollandD/B/A doing business as 1011.115SsaloD/L download 1021.221SdhollandDBA doing business as 1031.194SjruohoDBEYR don't believe everything you read 1041.203SjruohoDIAFYO did I ask for your opinion? 1051.115SsaloDIY do it yourself 1061.101SwizDKDC don't know, don't care 1071.216SdhollandDM dungeon master 1081.204SjruohoDMZ demilitarized zone 1091.192SjruohoDND do not disturb 1101.186StonnerreDOA dead on arrival 1111.175SwizDRY don't repeat yourself 1121.101SwizDSTM don't shoot the messenger 1131.1SmycroftDTRT do the right thing 1141.7SchristosDTWT do the wrong thing 1151.214SwizDWIM do what I mean 1161.204SjruohoDYK do you know? 1171.208SmbalmerECR electronic cash register 1181.203SjruohoEDS eternal downward spiral 1191.208SmbalmerEFT electronic funds transfer 1201.24ShubertfEG evil grin 1211.204SjruohoEIE enough is enough 1221.33SaugustssEMSG email message 1231.111SjwiseEOB end of business [day] 1241.214SwizEOD end of {day,discussion} 1251.112SjunyoungEOL end of life 1261.192SjruohoEOM end of message 1271.204SjruohoEOS end of story 1281.214SwizETA edited to add 1291.155SyamtETA estimated time of arrival 1301.28SlukemETLA extended three letter acronym 1311.204SjruohoETR early to rise 1321.84SmycroftEWAG experienced wild-ass guess 1331.227SrodentEZ easy 1341.228SrodentEZPZ easy-peasy 1351.194SjruohoF9 fine 1361.62SkleinkFAQ frequently asked question 1371.204SjruohoFBOW for better or worse 1381.214SwizFCFS first come, first served 1391.204SjruohoFCOL for crying out loud 1401.194SjruohoFFS free for shipping 1411.203SjruohoFITB fill in the blank 1421.214SwizFNO for nerds only 1431.192SjruohoFNO from now on 1441.204SjruohoFOC free of charge 1451.196SdhollandFPS first person shooter 1461.221SdhollandFPS frames per second 1471.31SthorpejFSDO for some definition of 1481.73SwizFSVO for some value of 1491.188SjruohoFTBFS fails to build from source 1501.194SjruohoFTFY fixed that for you 1511.168SjschaumaFTHOI for the {heck,hell} of it 1521.215SdhollandFTL faster than light 1531.157SlukemFTL for the loss 1541.204SjruohoFTTT from time to time 1551.157SlukemFTW for the win 1561.214SwizFUD fear, uncertainty, [and] doubt 1571.1SmycroftFWIW for what it's worth 1581.203SjruohoFYEO for your eyes only 1591.1SmycroftFYI for your information 1601.125SkeihanG grin 1611.116SsaloG/C garbage collect 1621.194SjruohoG2G got to go 1631.194SjruohoG2K good to know 1641.225SrodentGA go ahead 1651.115SsaloGAC get a clue 1661.115SsaloGAL get a life 1671.192SjruohoGBTW get back to work 1681.194SjruohoGF girlfriend 1691.192SjruohoGFU good for you 1701.194SjruohoGFY good for you 1711.196SdhollandGG good game 1721.225SrodentGGA good game all 1731.225SrodentGGP good game partner 1741.196SdhollandGGWP good game, well played 1751.110SgendaliaGIGO garbage in, garbage out 1761.214SwizGIYF Google is your friend 1771.192SjruohoGJ good job 1781.192SjruohoGL good luck 1791.194SjruohoGLHF good luck, have fun 1801.228SrodentGLINE global kill line 1811.203SjruohoGLWT good luck with that 1821.216SdhollandGM game master 1831.33SaugustssGMTA great minds think alike 1841.214SwizGOK God only knows 1851.204SjruohoGOWI get on with it 1861.202SdhollandGPS global positioning system 1871.194SjruohoGR8 great 1881.115SsaloGTG got to go 1891.194SjruohoGTH go to hell 1901.214SwizGTSY {glad,good} to see you 1911.162Sbjh21GWS get well soon 1921.194SjruohoH8 hate 1931.52SpookaHAND have a nice day 1941.194SjruohoHE how embarrasing 1951.192SjruohoHF have fun 1961.33SaugustssHHIS hanging head in shame 1971.169SjnemethHHOS ha ha, only serious 1981.115SsaloHICA here it comes again 1991.176SsketchHNY happy new year 2001.204SjruohoHOAS hold on a second 2011.228SrodentHOPS half-operator status 2021.33SaugustssHTH hope this helps 2031.115SsaloIAC in any case 2041.203SjruohoIAE in any event 2051.35StsarnaIANAL I am not a lawyer 2061.204SjruohoIAW in another window 2071.194SjruohoIAWTC I agree with this comment 2081.225SrodentIAWTP I agree with this post 2091.204SjruohoIAY I adore you 2101.204SjruohoIB I'm back 2111.115SsaloIC I see 2121.214SwizICBW I could be {worse,wrong} 2131.115SsaloICCL I couldn't care less 2141.203SjruohoICUR I see you are 2151.236SdhollandICYMI in case you missed it 2161.204SjruohoIDC I don't care 2171.204SjruohoIDGI I don't get it 2181.204SjruohoIDGW in a good way 2191.204SjruohoIDI I doubt it 2201.225SrodentIDIFTL I did it for the lulz 2211.179StnnIDK I don't know 2221.194SjruohoIDRC I don't really care 2231.203SjruohoIDTS I don't think so 2241.204SjruohoIDTT I drink to that 2251.132SjsmIHBW I have been wrong 2261.34SsimonbIIANM if I am not mistaken 2271.214SwizIIRC if I {recall,remember} correctly 2281.118SjmmvIIUC if I understand correctly 2291.234SjmcneillIKR I know, right? 2301.199SjruohoIKWYM I know what you mean 2311.172SbillcILU I love you 2321.172SbillcILY I love you 2331.113SmasonIMAO in my arrogant opinion 2341.203SjruohoIMBO in my biased opinion 2351.33SaugustssIMCO in my considered opinion 2361.18SchristosIMHO in my humble opinion 2371.22SmrgIMNSHO in my not so humble opinion 2381.35StsarnaIMO in my opinion 2391.229SrodentINB4 in before 2401.203SjruohoINPO in no particular order 2411.35StsarnaIOW in other words 2421.214SwizIPML I pissed myself laughing 2431.204SjruohoIQ intelligence quotient 2441.228SrodentIRCOP Internet relay chat {operator,operators} 2451.228SrodentIRCOPS Internet relay chat operator status 2461.33SaugustssIRL in real life 2471.204SjruohoIRT in real time 2481.204SjruohoIRT in regards to 2491.108SgendaliaISAGN I see a great need 2501.214SwizISBN International Standard Book Number 2511.39SrossISTM it seems to me 2521.214SwizISTR I seem to {recall,remember} 2531.228SrodentITC in this {channel,chat} 2541.228SrodentITT in this thread 2551.55SsorenITYM I think you mean 2561.203SjruohoIUD insert usual disclaimers 2571.204SjruohoIUSS if you say so 2581.204SjruohoIW it's worse 2591.139SkeihanIWBNI it would be nice if 2601.204SjruohoIYD in your dreams 2611.192SjruohoIYKWIM if you know what I mean 2621.115SsaloIYSS if you say so 2631.174SsborrillIYSWIM if you see what I mean 2641.115SsaloJ/K just kidding 2651.204SjruohoJAM just a minute 2661.204SjruohoJAS just a second 2671.204SjruohoJFK John Fitzgerald Kennedy 2681.192SjruohoJFTR just for the record 2691.214SwizJFYI just for your information 2701.214SwizJGI just Google it 2711.204SjruohoJGI just got it 2721.214SwizJHD just hit delete 2731.69SadJIC just in case 2741.204SjruohoJJA just joking around 2751.47SadJK just kidding 2761.33SaugustssJMO just my opinion 2771.146SsodaJSYK just so you know 2781.33SaugustssJTLYK just to let you know 2791.204SjruohoJW just wondering 2801.40SkleinkKISS keep it simple, stupid 2811.61SkleinkKITA kick in the ass 2821.194SjruohoKK okay, okay 2831.228SrodentKLINE kill line 2841.214SwizKMA keep me advised 2851.203SjruohoKMA keep moving ahead 2861.203SjruohoKMA kill me already 2871.48SlukemKNF kernel normal form 2881.192SjruohoKOS kill on sight 2891.194SjruohoKTHX okay, thanks 2901.228SrodentKTHXBAI okay, thanks. Goodbye. 2911.203SjruohoKWIM know what I mean? 2921.194SjruohoL8 late 2931.3SchristosL8R later 2941.214SwizLART luser attitude readjustment tool 2951.143ShubertfLBNL last but not least 2961.164SeladLGTM looks good to me 2971.75SadLJBF let's just be friends 2981.103SwizLMAO laughing my ass off 2991.204SjruohoLMC let me check 3001.225SrodentLMGTFY let me google that for you 3011.194SjruohoLMHO laughing my head off 3021.204SjruohoLMK let me know 3031.194SjruohoLMNO laughing my nuts off 3041.35StsarnaLMSO laughing my socks off 3051.233SrodentLOIC low orbit ion cannon 3061.14SchristosLOL laughing out loud 3071.214SwizLP long playing [record] 3081.33SaugustssLTNS long time no see 3091.194SjruohoLWYL laugh with you later 3101.194SjruohoM8 mate 3111.203SjruohoMAD mutually assured destruction 3121.227SrodentMFW my face when 3131.122SjschaumaMIA missing in action 3141.204SjruohoMMB message me back 3151.204SjruohoMO modus operandi 3161.41SsimonbMOTAS member of the appropriate sex 3171.41SsimonbMOTOS member of the opposite sex 3181.41SsimonbMOTSS member of the same sex 3191.33SaugustssMTF more to follow 3201.37SadMYOB mind your own business 3211.214SwizN/A not {applicable,available} 3221.125SkeihanN/M never mind 3231.194SjruohoNAFAIK not as far as I know 3241.45SchristosNBD no big deal 3251.194SjruohoNE1 anyone 3261.225SrodentNEDM not even Doom music 3271.203SjruohoNFA no flaming allowed 3281.178SwizNIFOC naked in front of computer 3291.35StsarnaNIH not invented here 3301.203SjruohoNIMBY not in my backyard 3311.204SjruohoNM never mind 3321.133SjmmvNMF not my fault 3331.133SjmmvNMP not my problem 3341.233SrodentNMU not much, you? 3351.204SjruohoNOM no offence meant 3361.197SdhollandNOOB newbie 3371.225SrodentNORP normal ordinary {respectable,responsible} person 3381.123SjmmvNOYB none of your business 3391.46SchristosNP no problem 3401.216SdhollandNPC non-player character 3411.51SsommerfeNRFPT not ready for prime time 3421.214SwizNRN no reply necessary 3431.194SjruohoNRN not right now 3441.148SjschaumaNSFW not suitable for work 3451.204SjruohoNTN no thanks needed 3461.203SjruohoNUNP no users, no problems 3471.180SplunkyNVM never mind 3481.204SjruohoNW no way 3491.194SjruohoNXT next 3501.233SrodentNYPA not your personal army 3511.190SsodaO2W off to work 3521.214SwizOAO over and out 3531.229SrodentOBV obviously 3541.229SrodentOBVS obviously 3551.229SrodentOFC of course 3561.194SjruohoOH other half 3571.8SmycroftOIC oh, I see 3581.214SwizOMG oh my God 3591.172SbillcOMW on my way 3601.203SjruohoONNA oh no, not again 3611.203SjruohoONNTA oh no, not this again 3621.183SdhollandOOB out of bounds 3631.196SdhollandOOC out of curiosity 3641.194SjruohoOOI out of interest 3651.203SjruohoOOSOOM out of sight, out of mind 3661.228SrodentOPS operator status 3671.228SrodentOPS operators 3681.229SrodentORITE oh, right 3691.115SsaloOT off topic 3701.53SthorpejOTL out to lunch 3711.107SwizOTOH on the other hand 3721.212SdhollandOTP one true pairing 3731.202SdhollandOTS off the shelf 3741.106ShubertfOTT over the top 3751.33SaugustssOTTOMH off the top of my head 3761.195SjruohoOWTTE or words to that effect 3771.216SdhollandPC player character 3781.217SdhollandPC politically correct 3791.221SdhollandPCB polychlorinated biphenyl(s) 3801.221SdhollandPD police department 3811.221SdhollandPDA public display of affection 3821.153SwizPDQ pretty darn quick 3831.204SjruohoPDS please don't shout 3841.218SdhollandPEBCAK problem exists between chair and keyboard 3851.115SsaloPEBKAC problem exists between keyboard and chair 3861.203SjruohoPFI pay for inclusion 3871.74SmellonPFY pimply faced youth 3881.182SplunkyPHB pointy haired boss 3891.189SdhollandPIN personal identification number 3901.22SmrgPITA pain in the ass 3911.225SrodentPITR {parent,parents} in the room 3921.96ShubertfPKSP pound keys and spew profanity 3931.204SjruohoPM post meridiem 3941.204SjruohoPMFI problem magically fixed itself 3951.204SjruohoPMFJI pardon me for jumping in 3961.194SjruohoPMSL pissing myself laughing 3971.107SwizPNG persona non grata 3981.103SwizPNP plug and pray 3991.64SadPOC point of contact 4001.183SdhollandPOC proof of concept 4011.49SchristosPOLA principle of least astonishment 4021.142SjmmvPOLS principle of least surprise 4031.208SmbalmerPOS point of sale 4041.188SjruohoPOV point of view 4051.192SjruohoPPL people 4061.9SchristosPPL pretty please 4071.203SjruohoPPP petty pet peeve 4081.204SjruohoPR public relations 4091.97SlukemPTV parental tunnel vision 4101.57SkleinkQED quod erat demonstrandum 4111.187SlukemQFT quoted for truth 4121.206SdhollandRA residential advisor 4131.63SwizRFC request for comments 4141.181SdhollandRFD request for discussion 4151.177SwizRFE request for enhancements 4161.135SkeihanRIP rest in peace 4171.33SaugustssRL real life 4181.80SlukemRLC rod length check 4191.204SjruohoRMS Richard Matthew Stallman 4201.102SwizROFL rolling on floor laughing 4211.102SwizROFLMAO rolling on floor laughing my ass off 4221.214SwizROI return on investment 4231.13SchristosROTFL rolling on the floor laughing 4241.64SadRP responsible person 4251.206SdhollandRR railroad 4261.204SjruohoRSI repetitive strain injury 4271.42SrossRSN real soon now 4281.214SwizRSVP respondez s'il vous plait ("reply please") 4291.214SwizS/T self titled 4301.213SdhollandSAR search and rescue 4311.203SjruohoSAR some assembly required 4321.58SkleinkSCNR sorry, could not resist 4331.25SmrgSEP someone else's problem 4341.204SjruohoSERP search engine results page 4351.196SdhollandSFAICT so far as I can tell 4361.33SaugustssSHID slaps head in disgust 4371.109SwizSIMCA sitting in my chair amused 4381.203SjruohoSITD still in the dark 4391.194SjruohoSMH shaking my head 4401.47SadSMLSFB so many losers, so few bullets 4411.3SchristosSMOP simple matter of programming 4421.47SadSNERT snot-nosed egotistical rude teenager 4431.133SjmmvSNMP sorry, not my problem 4441.33SaugustssSO significant other 4451.85SmartinSOB son of [a] bitch 4461.110SgendaliaSOP standard operating procedure 4471.229SrodentSRS serious 4481.229SrodentSRSLY seriously 4491.98SkleinkSSIA subject says it all 4501.158SchristosSSTO single stage to orbit 4511.204SjruohoSTW search the web 4521.70SwizSUS stupid user syndrome 4531.172SbillcSUX sucks 4541.172SbillcSUX2BU sucks to be you 4551.41SsimonbSWAG silly, wild-assed guess 4561.41SsimonbSWAHBI silly, wild-assed hare-brained idea 4571.100SsimonbSWMBO she who must be obeyed 4581.204SjruohoSYS see you soon 4591.206SdhollandTA teaching assistant 4601.82SmasonTANSTAAFL there ain't no such thing as a free lunch 4611.189SdhollandTBA to be announced 4621.115SsaloTBC to be continued 4631.88ScjonesTBD to be {decided,determined,done} 4641.159SjnemethTBH to be honest 4651.119SwizTBOMK the best of my knowledge 4661.203SjruohoTCB taking care of business 4671.204SjruohoTCO taken care of 4681.221SdhollandTCO total cost of ownership 4691.224SdhollandTFOA things falling off aircraft 4701.133SjmmvTHNX thanks 4711.133SjmmvTHX thanks 4721.21SchristosTIA thanks in advance 4731.171SchristosTIAVP this is a volunteer project 4741.203SjruohoTIC tonque in cheek 4751.200SjnemethTIL today I learned 4761.115SsaloTINC there is no cabal 4771.207SjnemethTINLA this is not legal advice 4781.203SjruohoTINWIS this is not what I said 4791.204SjruohoTJM that's just me 4801.28SlukemTLA three letter acronym 4811.225SrodentTLA true love always 4821.161SsketchTLC tender loving care 4831.160SeladTLDR too long, didn't read 4841.202SdhollandTM trademark 4851.203SjruohoTM trust me 4861.86SwizTMA too many abbreviations 4871.194SjruohoTMG too much government 4881.25SmrgTMI too much information 4891.196SdhollandTMJ temporomandibular joint 4901.203SjruohoTMK to my knowledge 4911.152SjschaumaTMTOWTDI there's more than one way to do it 4921.141SsnjTNF The NetBSD Foundation 4931.204SjruohoTOC table of contents 4941.188SjruohoTOCTOU time of check to time of use 4951.105StronTOEFL test of english as a foreign language 4961.204SjruohoTOH to other half 4971.219SdhollandTP toilet paper 4981.138SsnjTPTB the powers that be 4991.127SjmmvTRT the right thing 5001.119SwizTTBOMK to the best of my knowledge 5011.17SmycroftTTFN ta ta for now 5021.203SjruohoTTM to the moderator 5031.204SjruohoTTT thought that too 5041.52SpookaTTYL talk to you later 5051.192SjruohoTTYS talk to you soon 5061.203SjruohoTWAIN thing without an interesting name 5071.194SjruohoTWDT the whole damn thing 5081.110SgendaliaTWIAVBP the world is a very big place 5091.133SjmmvTY thank you 5101.29SmycroftTYVM thank you very much 5111.115SsaloU/L upload 5121.223SmbalmerUGT universal greeting time 5131.228SrodentUR your 5141.228SrodentUR {you're, you are} 5151.4SmycroftUTSL use the source, Luke 5161.206SdhollandVCR video cassette recorder 5171.24ShubertfVEG very evil grin 5181.204SjruohoVIP very important person 5191.115SsaloW/ with 5201.227SrodentW/E whatever 5211.115SsaloW/O without 5221.194SjruohoW8 wait 5231.203SjruohoWAFWOT what a foolish waste of time 5241.84SmycroftWAG wild-ass guess 5251.115SsaloWB welcome back 5261.184SsketchWCPGW what could possibly go wrong 5271.203SjruohoWDYMBT what do you mean by that 5281.203SjruohoWELC working effectively with legacy code 5291.154SpookaWFH working from home 5301.115SsaloWFM works for me 5311.77SsommerfeWIBNI wouldn't it be nice if 5321.115SsaloWIP work in progress 5331.185SsketchWMNC watch me not care 5341.89SwennmachWOMBAT waste of money, brain, and time 5351.93ScgdWRT with respect to 5361.214SwizWTB {waiting,want,willing} to buy 5371.192SjruohoWTG way to go 5381.167SmrgWTH {what,when,where,who,why} the hell 5391.214SwizWTS {waiting,want,willing} to sell 5401.214SwizWTT {waiting,want,willing} to trade 5411.203SjruohoWWJD what would Jesus do? 5421.188SjruohoYAGNI you ain't gonna need it 5431.133SjmmvYALIMO you are lame, in my opinion 5441.214SwizYAOTM yet another off-topic message 5451.228SrodentYCTAT you can't troll a troll 5461.192SjruohoYGM you got mail 5471.114SjschaumaYHBT you have been trolled 5481.114SjschaumaYHL you have lost 5491.10SmycroftYKWIM you know what I mean 5501.20SfvdlYMMV your mileage may vary 5511.211SjakllschYOLO you only live once 5521.115SsaloYW you're welcome 5531.203SjruohoYWSYLS you win some, you lose some 554