1 1.30 nia $NetBSD: storage,v 1.30 2025/05/19 18:02:53 nia Exp $ 2 1.1 agc 3 1.1 agc NetBSD Storage Roadmap 4 1.1 agc ====================== 5 1.1 agc 6 1.1 agc This is a small roadmap document, and deals with the storage and file 7 1.10 dholland systems side of the operating system. It discusses elements, projects, 8 1.10 dholland and goals that are under development or under discussion; and it is 9 1.10 dholland divided into three categories based on perceived priority. 10 1.10 dholland 11 1.10 dholland The following elements, projects, and goals are considered strategic 12 1.10 dholland priorities for the project: 13 1.10 dholland 14 1.10 dholland 1. Improving iscsi 15 1.10 dholland 2. nfsv4 support 16 1.10 dholland 3. A better journaling file system solution 17 1.30 nia 4. Stabilizing and improving zfs support 18 1.10 dholland 5. Seamless full-disk encryption 19 1.11 dholland 6. Finish tls-maxphys 20 1.10 dholland 21 1.10 dholland The following elements, projects, and goals are not strategic 22 1.10 dholland priorities but are still important undertakings worth doing: 23 1.10 dholland 24 1.30 nia 7. lfs64 25 1.30 nia 8. Per-process namespaces 26 1.30 nia 9. lvm tidyup 27 1.30 nia 10. Flash translation layer 28 1.30 nia 11. Shingled disk support 29 1.30 nia 12. ext3/ext4 support 30 1.30 nia 13. Port hammer from Dragonfly 31 1.30 nia 14. afs maintenance 32 1.30 nia 15. execute-in-place 33 1.30 nia 16. extended attributes for acl and capability storage 34 1.10 dholland 35 1.10 dholland The following elements, projects, and goals are perhaps less pressing; 36 1.10 dholland this doesn't mean one shouldn't work on them but the expected payoff 37 1.10 dholland is perhaps less than for other things: 38 1.1 agc 39 1.30 nia 17. coda maintenance 40 1.1 agc 41 1.8 agc 42 1.10 dholland Explanations 43 1.10 dholland ============ 44 1.1 agc 45 1.10 dholland 1. Improving iscsi 46 1.10 dholland ------------------ 47 1.1 agc 48 1.10 dholland Both the existing iscsi target and initiator are fairly bad code, and 49 1.10 dholland neither works terribly well. Fixing this is fairly important as iscsi 50 1.10 dholland is where it's at for remote block devices. Note that there appears to 51 1.10 dholland be no compelling reason to move the target to the kernel or otherwise 52 1.10 dholland make major architectural changes. 53 1.10 dholland 54 1.21 dholland - As of January 2017 nobody is known to be working on this. 55 1.10 dholland - There is currently no clear timeframe or release target. 56 1.10 dholland - Contact agc for further information. 57 1.10 dholland 58 1.10 dholland 59 1.10 dholland 2. nfsv4 support 60 1.10 dholland ---------------- 61 1.10 dholland 62 1.10 dholland nfsv4 is at this point the de facto standard for FS-level (as opposed 63 1.10 dholland to block-level) network volumes in production settings. The legacy nfs 64 1.10 dholland code currently in NetBSD only supports nfsv2 and nfsv3. 65 1.10 dholland 66 1.10 dholland The intended plan is to port FreeBSD's nfsv4 code, which also includes 67 1.10 dholland nfsv2 and nfsv3 support, and eventually transition to it completely, 68 1.10 dholland dropping our current nfs code. (Which is kind of a mess.) So far the 69 1.10 dholland only step that has been taken is to import the code from FreeBSD. The 70 1.10 dholland next step is to update that import (since it was done a while ago now) 71 1.10 dholland and then work on getting it to configure and compile. 72 1.10 dholland 73 1.21 dholland - As of January 2017 pgoyette has done a bit of prodding of the code 74 1.21 dholland recently, but otherwise nobody is working on this, and a volunteer to 75 1.21 dholland take charge and move it forward rapidly is urgently needed. 76 1.10 dholland - There is no clear timeframe or release target, although having an 77 1.10 dholland experimental version ready for -8 would be great. 78 1.10 dholland - Contact dholland for further information. 79 1.10 dholland 80 1.10 dholland 81 1.10 dholland 3. A better journaling file system solution 82 1.10 dholland ------------------------------------------- 83 1.10 dholland 84 1.10 dholland WAPBL, the journaling FFS that NetBSD rolled out some time back, has a 85 1.10 dholland critical problem: it does not address the historic ffs behavior of 86 1.10 dholland allowing stale on-disk data to leak into user files in crashes. And 87 1.10 dholland because it runs faster, this happens more often and with more data. 88 1.10 dholland This situation is both a correctness and a security liability. Fixing 89 1.10 dholland it has turned out to be difficult. It is not really clear what the 90 1.10 dholland best option at this point is: 91 1.10 dholland 92 1.10 dholland + Fixing WAPBL (e.g. to flush newly allocated/newly written blocks to 93 1.10 dholland disk early) has been examined by several people who know the code base 94 1.13 dholland and judged difficult. Also, some other problems have come to light 95 1.20 jdolecek more recently; e.g. PR 50725, and 45676. Still, it might be the best 96 1.23 jdolecek way forward. Some performance and stability issues were resolved 97 1.23 jdolecek in netbsd-8, and more work is planned. 98 1.10 dholland 99 1.10 dholland + There is another journaling FFS; the Harvard one done by Margo 100 1.10 dholland Seltzer's group some years back. We have a copy of this, but as it was 101 1.10 dholland written in BSD/OS circa 1999 it needs a lot of merging, and then will 102 1.10 dholland undoubtedly also need a certain amount of polishing to be ready for 103 1.10 dholland production use. It does record-based rather than block-based 104 1.10 dholland journaling and does not share the stale data problem. 105 1.10 dholland 106 1.10 dholland + We could bring back softupdates (in the softupdates-with-journaling 107 1.10 dholland form found today in FreeBSD) -- this code is even more complicated 108 1.10 dholland than the softupdates code we removed back in 2009, and it's not clear 109 1.10 dholland that it's any more robust either. However, it would solve the stale 110 1.10 dholland data problem if someone wanted to port it over. It isn't clear that 111 1.10 dholland this would be any less work than getting the Harvard journaling FFS 112 1.10 dholland running... or than writing a whole new file system either. 113 1.10 dholland 114 1.10 dholland + We could write a whole new journaling file system. (That is, not 115 1.10 dholland FFS. Doing a new journaling FFS implementation is probably not 116 1.10 dholland sensible relative to merging the Harvard journaling FFS.) This is a 117 1.10 dholland big project. 118 1.10 dholland 119 1.10 dholland Right now it is not clear which of these avenues is the best way 120 1.10 dholland forward. Given the general manpower shortage, it may be that the best 121 1.10 dholland way is whatever looks best to someone who wants to work on the 122 1.10 dholland problem. 123 1.10 dholland 124 1.23 jdolecek - There is no clear timeframe or release target; but given that WAPBL 125 1.23 jdolecek has been disabled by default for new installs in -7 this problem 126 1.23 jdolecek can reasonably be said to have become critical. 127 1.23 jdolecek - jdolecek fixed some WAPBL stability issues, that work is included 128 1.23 jdolecek in netbsd-8, could be possibly enough for making it default for new 129 1.23 jdolecek installs again; there is kern/47030 which seems to be triggered by WAPBL 130 1.23 jdolecek however 131 1.16 jdolecek - There has been some interest in the Harvard journaling FFS but no 132 1.16 jdolecek significant progress. Nobody is known to be working on or particularly 133 1.10 dholland interested in porting softupdates-with-journaling. And, while 134 1.10 dholland dholland has been mumbling for some time about a plan for a 135 1.10 dholland specific new file system to solve this problem, there isn't any 136 1.10 dholland realistic prospect of significant progress on that in the 137 1.10 dholland foreseeable future, and nobody else is known to have or be working 138 1.10 dholland on even that much. 139 1.23 jdolecek - Contact joerg, martin, or jdolecek regarding WAPBL; contact dholland 140 1.23 jdolecek regarding the Harvard journaling FFS. 141 1.10 dholland 142 1.10 dholland 143 1.10 dholland 5. Seamless full-disk encryption 144 1.10 dholland -------------------------------- 145 1.1 agc 146 1.10 dholland (This is only sort of a storage issue.) We have cgd, and it is 147 1.10 dholland believed to still be cryptographically suitable, at least for the time 148 1.10 dholland being. However, we don't have any of the following things: 149 1.1 agc 150 1.10 dholland + An easy way to install a machine with full-disk encryption. It 151 1.10 dholland should really just be a checkbox item in sysinst, or not much more 152 1.10 dholland than that. 153 1.5 agc 154 1.10 dholland + Ideally, also an easy way to turn on full-disk encryption for a 155 1.10 dholland machine that's already been installed, though this is harder. 156 1.1 agc 157 1.10 dholland + A good story for booting off a disk that is otherwise encrypted; 158 1.10 dholland obviously one cannot encrypt the bootblocks, but it isn't clear where 159 1.10 dholland in boot the encrypted volume should take over, or how to make a best 160 1.10 dholland effort at protecting the unencrypted elements needed to boot. (At 161 1.10 dholland least, in the absence of something like UEFI secure boot combined with 162 1.29 rillig a cryptographic oracle to sign your bootloader image so UEFI will 163 1.10 dholland accept it.) There's also the question of how one runs cgdconfig(8) and 164 1.10 dholland where the cgdconfig binary comes from. 165 1.1 agc 166 1.10 dholland + A reasonable way to handle volume passphrases. MacOS apparently uses 167 1.10 dholland login passwords for this (or as passphrases for secondary keys, or 168 1.10 dholland something) and this seems to work well enough apart from the somewhat 169 1.10 dholland surreal experience of sometimes having to log in twice. However, it 170 1.10 dholland will complicate the bootup story. 171 1.1 agc 172 1.10 dholland Given the increasing regulatory-level importance of full-disk 173 1.10 dholland encryption, this is at least a de facto requirement for using NetBSD 174 1.10 dholland on laptops in many circumstances. 175 1.1 agc 176 1.21 dholland - As of January 2017 nobody is known to be working on this. 177 1.10 dholland - There is no clear timeframe or release target. 178 1.10 dholland - Contact dholland for further information. 179 1.5 agc 180 1.5 agc 181 1.11 dholland 6. Finish tls-maxphys 182 1.11 dholland --------------------- 183 1.11 dholland 184 1.11 dholland The tls-maxphys branch changes MAXPHYS (the maximum size of a single 185 1.11 dholland I/O request) from a global fixed constant to a value that's probed 186 1.11 dholland separately for each particular I/O channel based on its 187 1.11 dholland capabilities. Large values are highly desirable for e.g. feeding large 188 1.21 dholland disk arrays and SSDs, but do not work with all hardware. 189 1.11 dholland 190 1.11 dholland The code is nearly done and just needs more testing and support in 191 1.11 dholland more drivers. 192 1.11 dholland 193 1.26 jdolecek - On October 2017 jdolecek re-synced the branch, intention is to wrap 194 1.25 jdolecek this up for future netbsd-9 195 1.25 jdolecek - Contact jdolecek or tls for further information. 196 1.11 dholland 197 1.11 dholland 198 1.30 nia 7. lfs64 199 1.10 dholland -------- 200 1.5 agc 201 1.10 dholland LFS currently only supports volumes up to 2 TB. As LFS is of interest 202 1.10 dholland for use on shingled disks (which are larger than 2 TB) and also for 203 1.10 dholland use on disk arrays (ditto) this is something of a problem. A 64-bit 204 1.10 dholland version of LFS for large volumes is in the works. 205 1.5 agc 206 1.21 dholland - dholland was working on this in fall 2015 but time to finish it 207 1.21 dholland dried up. 208 1.21 dholland - The goal now is to get a few remaining things done in time for 8.0 209 1.21 dholland so it will at least be ready for experimental use there. 210 1.10 dholland - Responsible: dholland 211 1.5 agc 212 1.8 agc 213 1.30 nia 8. Per-process namespaces 214 1.10 dholland ------------------------- 215 1.5 agc 216 1.10 dholland Support for per-process variation of the file system namespace enables 217 1.10 dholland a number of things; more flexible chroots, for example, and also 218 1.10 dholland potentially more efficient pkgsrc builds. dholland thought up a 219 1.21 dholland somewhat hackish but low-footprint way to implement this, and has a 220 1.21 dholland preliminary implementation, but concluded the scheme was too fragile 221 1.21 dholland for production. A different approach is probably needed, although the 222 1.21 dholland existing code could be tidied up and committed if that seems desirable. 223 1.5 agc 224 1.21 dholland - As of January 2017 nobody is working on this. 225 1.21 dholland - Contact: dholland 226 1.5 agc 227 1.8 agc 228 1.30 nia 9. lvm tidyup 229 1.11 dholland -------------- 230 1.5 agc 231 1.10 dholland [agc says someone should look at our lvm stuff; XXX fill this in] 232 1.5 agc 233 1.21 dholland - As of January 2017 nobody is known to be working on this. 234 1.10 dholland - There is no clear timeframe or release target. 235 1.10 dholland - Contact agc for further information. 236 1.5 agc 237 1.1 agc 238 1.30 nia 10. Flash translation layer 239 1.11 dholland --------------------------- 240 1.9 agc 241 1.10 dholland SSDs ship with firmware called a "flash translation layer" that 242 1.10 dholland arbitrates between the block device software expects to see and the 243 1.10 dholland raw flash chips. FTLs handle wear leveling, lifetime management, and 244 1.10 dholland also internal caching, striping, and other performance concerns. While 245 1.10 dholland NetBSD has a file system for raw flash (chfs), it seems that given 246 1.10 dholland things NetBSD is often used for it ought to come with a flash 247 1.10 dholland translation layer as well. 248 1.10 dholland 249 1.10 dholland Note that this is an area where writing your own is probably a bad 250 1.10 dholland plan; it is a complicated area with a lot of prior art that's also 251 1.10 dholland reportedly full of patent mines. There are a couple of open FTL 252 1.10 dholland implementations that we might be able to import. 253 1.10 dholland 254 1.21 dholland - As of January 2017 nobody is known to be working on this. 255 1.10 dholland - There is no clear timeframe or release target. 256 1.10 dholland - Contact dholland for further information. 257 1.10 dholland 258 1.10 dholland 259 1.30 nia 11. Shingled disk support 260 1.10 dholland ------------------------- 261 1.10 dholland 262 1.10 dholland Shingled disks (or more technically, disks with "shingled magnetic 263 1.10 dholland recording" or SMR) can only write whole tracks at once. Thus, to 264 1.10 dholland operate effectively they require translation support similar to the 265 1.10 dholland flash translation layers found in SSDs. The nature and structure of 266 1.10 dholland shingle translation layers is still being researched; however, at some 267 1.10 dholland point we will want to support these things in NetBSD. 268 1.10 dholland 269 1.21 dholland - As of 2016 one of dholland's coworkers was looking at this. 270 1.10 dholland - There is no clear timeframe or release target. 271 1.10 dholland - Contact dholland for further information. 272 1.10 dholland 273 1.10 dholland 274 1.30 nia 12. ext3/ext4 support 275 1.10 dholland --------------------- 276 1.10 dholland 277 1.30 nia Currently people are mostly using the kernel implementation of 278 1.30 nia ext2 or using filesystems/fuse-ext2 from pkgsrc for later versions. 279 1.30 nia 280 1.10 dholland We would like to be able to read and write Linux ext3fs and ext4fs 281 1.10 dholland volumes. (We can already read clean ext3fs volumes as they're the same 282 1.10 dholland as ext2fs, modulo volume features our ext2fs code does not support; 283 1.10 dholland but we can't write them.) 284 1.10 dholland 285 1.10 dholland Ideally someone would write ext3 and/or ext4 code, whether integrated 286 1.10 dholland with or separate from the ext2 code we already have. It might also 287 1.10 dholland make sense to port or wrap the Linux ext3 or ext4 code so it can be 288 1.10 dholland loaded as a GPL'd kernel module; it isn't clear if that would be more 289 1.10 dholland or less work than doing an implementation. 290 1.10 dholland 291 1.10 dholland Note however that implementing ext3 has already defeated several 292 1.10 dholland people; this is a harder project than it looks. 293 1.10 dholland 294 1.17 jdolecek - GSoc 2016 brought support for extents, and also ro support for dir 295 1.17 jdolecek hashes; jdolecek also implemented several frequently used ext4 features 296 1.17 jdolecek so most contemporary ext filesystems should be possible to mount 297 1.17 jdolecek read-write 298 1.28 andvar - still need rw dir_nhash and xattr (semi-easy), and eventually journaling 299 1.17 jdolecek (hard) 300 1.10 dholland - There is no clear timeframe or release target. 301 1.28 andvar - jdolecek is working on improving ext3/ext4 support (particularly 302 1.28 andvar journaling) 303 1.10 dholland 304 1.10 dholland 305 1.30 nia 13. Port hammer from Dragonfly 306 1.10 dholland ------------------------------ 307 1.10 dholland 308 1.10 dholland While the motivation for and role of hammer isn't perhaps super 309 1.10 dholland persuasive, it would still be good to have it. Porting it from 310 1.10 dholland Dragonfly is probably not that painful (compared to, say, zfs) but as 311 1.10 dholland the Dragonfly and NetBSD VFS layers have diverged in different 312 1.10 dholland directions from the original 4.4BSD, may not be entirely trivial 313 1.10 dholland either. 314 1.10 dholland 315 1.21 dholland - As of January 2017 nobody is known to be working on this. 316 1.10 dholland - There is no clear timeframe or release target. 317 1.10 dholland - There probably isn't any particular person to contact; for VFS 318 1.10 dholland concerns contact dholland or hannken. 319 1.10 dholland 320 1.10 dholland 321 1.30 nia 14. afs maintenance 322 1.10 dholland ------------------- 323 1.10 dholland 324 1.10 dholland AFS needs periodic care and feeding to continue working as NetBSD 325 1.10 dholland changes, because the kernel-level bits aren't kept in the NetBSD tree 326 1.10 dholland and don't get updated with other things. This is an ongoing issue that 327 1.10 dholland always seems to need more manpower than it gets. It might make sense 328 1.10 dholland to import some of the kernel AFS code, or maybe even just some of the 329 1.10 dholland glue layer that it uses, in order to keep it more current. 330 1.10 dholland 331 1.10 dholland - jakllsch sometimes works on this. 332 1.10 dholland - We would like every release to have working AFS by the time it's 333 1.10 dholland released. 334 1.10 dholland - Contact jakllsch or gendalia about AFS; for VFS concerns contact 335 1.10 dholland dholland or hannken. 336 1.10 dholland 337 1.10 dholland 338 1.30 nia 15. execute-in-place 339 1.10 dholland -------------------- 340 1.10 dholland 341 1.10 dholland It is likely that the future includes non-volatile storage (so-called 342 1.10 dholland "nvram") that looks like RAM from the perspective of software. Most 343 1.10 dholland importantly: the storage is memory-mapped rather than looking like a 344 1.10 dholland disk controller. There are a number of things NetBSD ought to have to 345 1.10 dholland be ready for this, of which probably the most important is 346 1.10 dholland "execute-in-place": when an executable is run from such storage, and 347 1.10 dholland mapped into user memory with mmap, the storage hardware pages should 348 1.10 dholland be able to appear directly in user memory. Right now they get 349 1.10 dholland gratuitously copied into RAM, which is slow and wasteful. There are 350 1.10 dholland also other reasons (e.g. embedded device ROMs) to want execute-in- 351 1.10 dholland place support. 352 1.10 dholland 353 1.10 dholland Note that at the implementation level this is a UVM issue rather than 354 1.10 dholland strictly a storage issue. 355 1.10 dholland 356 1.10 dholland Also note that one does not need access to nvram hardware to work on 357 1.10 dholland this issue; given the performance profiles touted for nvram 358 1.10 dholland technologies, a plain RAM disk like md(4) is sufficient both 359 1.10 dholland structurally and for performance analysis. 360 1.10 dholland 361 1.21 dholland - As of January 2017 nobody is known to be working on this. Some 362 1.10 dholland time back, uebayasi wrote some preliminary patches, but they were 363 1.10 dholland rejected by the UVM maintainers. 364 1.10 dholland - There is no clear timeframe or release target. 365 1.10 dholland - Contact dholland for further information. 366 1.10 dholland 367 1.10 dholland 368 1.30 nia 16. use extended attributes for ACL and capability storage 369 1.15 christos ---------------------------------------------------------- 370 1.15 christos 371 1.15 christos Currently there is some support for extended attributes in ffs, 372 1.15 christos but nothing really uses it. I would be nice if we came up with 373 1.15 christos a standard format to store ACL's and capabilities like Linux has. 374 1.15 christos The various tools must be modified to understand this and be able 375 1.15 christos to copy them if requested. Also tools to manipulate the data will 376 1.15 christos need to be written. 377 1.15 christos 378 1.21 dholland 379 1.30 nia 17. coda maintenance 380 1.10 dholland -------------------- 381 1.10 dholland 382 1.10 dholland Coda only sort of works. [And I think it's behind relative to 383 1.10 dholland upstream, or something of the sort; XXX fill this in.] Also the code 384 1.10 dholland appears to have an ugly incestuous relationship with FFS. This should 385 1.10 dholland really be cleaned up. That or maybe it's time to remove Coda. 386 1.10 dholland 387 1.21 dholland - As of January 2017 nobody is known to be working on this. 388 1.10 dholland - There is no clear timeframe or release target. 389 1.10 dholland - There isn't anyone in particular to contact. 390 1.15 christos - Circa 2012 christos made it work read-write and split it 391 1.15 christos into modules. Since then christos has not tested it. 392 1.9 agc 393 1.21 dholland 394 1.9 agc Alistair Crooks, David Holland 395 1.10 dholland Fri Nov 20 02:17:53 EST 2015 396 1.12 dholland Sun May 1 16:50:42 EDT 2016 (some updates) 397 1.21 dholland Fri Jan 13 00:40:50 EST 2017 (some more updates) 398 1.12 dholland 399