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21.1Sagc
31.1SagcNetBSD Storage Roadmap
41.1Sagc======================
51.1Sagc
61.1SagcThis is a small roadmap document, and deals with the storage and file
71.10Sdhollandsystems side of the operating system. It discusses elements, projects,
81.10Sdhollandand goals that are under development or under discussion; and it is
91.10Sdhollanddivided into three categories based on perceived priority.
101.10Sdholland
111.10SdhollandThe following elements, projects, and goals are considered strategic
121.10Sdhollandpriorities for the project:
131.10Sdholland
141.10Sdholland 1. Improving iscsi
151.10Sdholland 2. nfsv4 support
161.10Sdholland 3. A better journaling file system solution
171.10Sdholland 4. Getting zfs working for real
181.10Sdholland 5. Seamless full-disk encryption
191.10Sdholland
201.10SdhollandThe following elements, projects, and goals are not strategic
211.10Sdhollandpriorities but are still important undertakings worth doing:
221.10Sdholland
231.10Sdholland 6. lfs64
241.10Sdholland 7. Per-process namespaces
251.10Sdholland 8. lvm tidyup
261.10Sdholland 9. Flash translation layer
271.10Sdholland 10. Shingled disk support
281.10Sdholland 11. ext3/ext4 support
291.10Sdholland 12. Port hammer from Dragonfly
301.10Sdholland 13. afs maintenance
311.10Sdholland 14. execute-in-place
321.10Sdholland
331.10SdhollandThe following elements, projects, and goals are perhaps less pressing;
341.10Sdhollandthis doesn't mean one shouldn't work on them but the expected payoff
351.10Sdhollandis perhaps less than for other things:
361.1Sagc
371.10Sdholland 15. coda maintenance
381.1Sagc
391.8Sagc
401.10SdhollandExplanations
411.10Sdholland============
421.1Sagc
431.10Sdholland1. Improving iscsi
441.10Sdholland------------------
451.1Sagc
461.10SdhollandBoth the existing iscsi target and initiator are fairly bad code, and
471.10Sdhollandneither works terribly well. Fixing this is fairly important as iscsi
481.10Sdhollandis where it's at for remote block devices. Note that there appears to
491.10Sdhollandbe no compelling reason to move the target to the kernel or otherwise
501.10Sdhollandmake major architectural changes.
511.10Sdholland
521.10Sdholland - As of November 2015 nobody is known to be working on this.
531.10Sdholland - There is currently no clear timeframe or release target.
541.10Sdholland - Contact agc for further information.
551.10Sdholland
561.10Sdholland
571.10Sdholland2. nfsv4 support
581.10Sdholland----------------
591.10Sdholland
601.10Sdhollandnfsv4 is at this point the de facto standard for FS-level (as opposed
611.10Sdhollandto block-level) network volumes in production settings. The legacy nfs
621.10Sdhollandcode currently in NetBSD only supports nfsv2 and nfsv3.
631.10Sdholland
641.10SdhollandThe intended plan is to port FreeBSD's nfsv4 code, which also includes
651.10Sdhollandnfsv2 and nfsv3 support, and eventually transition to it completely,
661.10Sdhollanddropping our current nfs code. (Which is kind of a mess.) So far the
671.10Sdhollandonly step that has been taken is to import the code from FreeBSD. The
681.10Sdhollandnext step is to update that import (since it was done a while ago now)
691.10Sdhollandand then work on getting it to configure and compile.
701.10Sdholland
711.10Sdholland - As of November 2015 nobody is working on this, and a volunteer to
721.10Sdholland   take charge is urgently needed.
731.10Sdholland - There is no clear timeframe or release target, although having an
741.10Sdholland   experimental version ready for -8 would be great.
751.10Sdholland - Contact dholland for further information.
761.10Sdholland
771.10Sdholland
781.10Sdholland3. A better journaling file system solution
791.10Sdholland-------------------------------------------
801.10Sdholland
811.10SdhollandWAPBL, the journaling FFS that NetBSD rolled out some time back, has a
821.10Sdhollandcritical problem: it does not address the historic ffs behavior of
831.10Sdhollandallowing stale on-disk data to leak into user files in crashes. And
841.10Sdhollandbecause it runs faster, this happens more often and with more data.
851.10SdhollandThis situation is both a correctness and a security liability. Fixing
861.10Sdhollandit has turned out to be difficult. It is not really clear what the
871.10Sdhollandbest option at this point is:
881.10Sdholland
891.10Sdholland+ Fixing WAPBL (e.g. to flush newly allocated/newly written blocks to
901.10Sdhollanddisk early) has been examined by several people who know the code base
911.10Sdhollandand judged difficult. Still, it might be the best way forward.
921.10Sdholland
931.10Sdholland+ There is another journaling FFS; the Harvard one done by Margo
941.10SdhollandSeltzer's group some years back. We have a copy of this, but as it was
951.10Sdhollandwritten in BSD/OS circa 1999 it needs a lot of merging, and then will
961.10Sdhollandundoubtedly also need a certain amount of polishing to be ready for
971.10Sdhollandproduction use. It does record-based rather than block-based
981.10Sdhollandjournaling and does not share the stale data problem.
991.10Sdholland
1001.10Sdholland+ We could bring back softupdates (in the softupdates-with-journaling
1011.10Sdhollandform found today in FreeBSD) -- this code is even more complicated
1021.10Sdhollandthan the softupdates code we removed back in 2009, and it's not clear
1031.10Sdhollandthat it's any more robust either. However, it would solve the stale
1041.10Sdhollanddata problem if someone wanted to port it over. It isn't clear that
1051.10Sdhollandthis would be any less work than getting the Harvard journaling FFS
1061.10Sdhollandrunning... or than writing a whole new file system either.
1071.10Sdholland
1081.10Sdholland+ We could write a whole new journaling file system. (That is, not
1091.10SdhollandFFS. Doing a new journaling FFS implementation is probably not
1101.10Sdhollandsensible relative to merging the Harvard journaling FFS.) This is a
1111.10Sdhollandbig project.
1121.10Sdholland
1131.10SdhollandRight now it is not clear which of these avenues is the best way
1141.10Sdhollandforward. Given the general manpower shortage, it may be that the best
1151.10Sdhollandway is whatever looks best to someone who wants to work on the
1161.10Sdhollandproblem.
1171.10Sdholland
1181.10Sdholland - As of November 2015 nobody is working on fixing WAPBL. There has
1191.10Sdholland   been some interest in the Harvard journaling FFS but no significant
1201.10Sdholland   progress. Nobody is known to be working on or particularly
1211.10Sdholland   interested in porting softupdates-with-journaling. And, while
1221.10Sdholland   dholland has been mumbling for some time about a plan for a
1231.10Sdholland   specific new file system to solve this problem, there isn't any
1241.10Sdholland   realistic prospect of significant progress on that in the
1251.10Sdholland   foreseeable future, and nobody else is known to have or be working
1261.10Sdholland   on even that much.
1271.10Sdholland - There is no clear timeframe or release target; but given that WAPBL
1281.10Sdholland   has been disabled by default for new installs in -7 this problem
1291.10Sdholland   can reasonably be said to have become critical.
1301.10Sdholland - Contact joerg or martin regarding WAPBL; contact dholland regarding
1311.10Sdholland   the Harvard journaling FFS.
1321.10Sdholland
1331.10Sdholland
1341.10Sdholland4. Getting zfs working for real
1351.10Sdholland-------------------------------
1361.10Sdholland
1371.10SdhollandZFS has been almost working for years now. It is high time we got it
1381.10Sdhollandreally working. One of the things this entails is updating the ZFS
1391.10Sdhollandcode, as what we have is rather old. The Illumos version is probably
1401.10Sdhollandwhat we want for this.
1411.10Sdholland
1421.10Sdholland - There has been intermittent work on zfs, but as of November 2015
1431.10Sdholland   nobody is known to be actively working on it
1441.10Sdholland - There is no clear timeframe or release target.
1451.10Sdholland - Contact riastradh or ?? for further information.
1461.1Sagc
1471.1Sagc
1481.10Sdholland5. Seamless full-disk encryption
1491.10Sdholland--------------------------------
1501.1Sagc
1511.10Sdholland(This is only sort of a storage issue.) We have cgd, and it is
1521.10Sdhollandbelieved to still be cryptographically suitable, at least for the time
1531.10Sdhollandbeing. However, we don't have any of the following things:
1541.1Sagc
1551.10Sdholland+ An easy way to install a machine with full-disk encryption. It
1561.10Sdhollandshould really just be a checkbox item in sysinst, or not much more
1571.10Sdhollandthan that.
1581.5Sagc
1591.10Sdholland+ Ideally, also an easy way to turn on full-disk encryption for a
1601.10Sdhollandmachine that's already been installed, though this is harder.
1611.1Sagc
1621.10Sdholland+ A good story for booting off a disk that is otherwise encrypted;
1631.10Sdhollandobviously one cannot encrypt the bootblocks, but it isn't clear where
1641.10Sdhollandin boot the encrypted volume should take over, or how to make a best
1651.10Sdhollandeffort at protecting the unencrypted elements needed to boot. (At
1661.10Sdhollandleast, in the absence of something like UEFI secure boot combined with
1671.10Sdhollandan cryptographic oracle to sign your bootloader image so UEFI will
1681.10Sdhollandaccept it.) There's also the question of how one runs cgdconfig(8) and
1691.10Sdhollandwhere the cgdconfig binary comes from.
1701.1Sagc
1711.10Sdholland+ A reasonable way to handle volume passphrases. MacOS apparently uses
1721.10Sdhollandlogin passwords for this (or as passphrases for secondary keys, or
1731.10Sdhollandsomething) and this seems to work well enough apart from the somewhat
1741.10Sdhollandsurreal experience of sometimes having to log in twice. However, it
1751.10Sdhollandwill complicate the bootup story.
1761.1Sagc
1771.10SdhollandGiven the increasing regulatory-level importance of full-disk
1781.10Sdhollandencryption, this is at least a de facto requirement for using NetBSD
1791.10Sdhollandon laptops in many circumstances.
1801.1Sagc
1811.10Sdholland - As of November 2015 nobody is known to be working on this.
1821.10Sdholland - There is no clear timeframe or release target.
1831.10Sdholland - Contact dholland for further information.
1841.5Sagc
1851.5Sagc
1861.10Sdholland6. lfs64
1871.10Sdholland--------
1881.5Sagc
1891.10SdhollandLFS currently only supports volumes up to 2 TB. As LFS is of interest
1901.10Sdhollandfor use on shingled disks (which are larger than 2 TB) and also for
1911.10Sdhollanduse on disk arrays (ditto) this is something of a problem. A 64-bit
1921.10Sdhollandversion of LFS for large volumes is in the works.
1931.5Sagc
1941.10Sdholland - As of November 2015 dholland is working on this.
1951.10Sdholland - It is close to being ready for at least experimental use and is
1961.10Sdholland   expected to be in 8.0.
1971.10Sdholland - Responsible: dholland
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1991.8Sagc
2001.10Sdholland7. Per-process namespaces
2011.10Sdholland-------------------------
2021.5Sagc
2031.10SdhollandSupport for per-process variation of the file system namespace enables
2041.10Sdhollanda number of things; more flexible chroots, for example, and also
2051.10Sdhollandpotentially more efficient pkgsrc builds. dholland thought up a
2061.10Sdhollandsomewhat hackish but low-footprint way to implement this.
2071.5Sagc
2081.10Sdholland - As of November 2015 dholland is working on this.
2091.10Sdholland - It is scheduled to be in 8.0.
2101.10Sdholland - Responsible: dholland
2111.5Sagc
2121.8Sagc
2131.10Sdholland8. lvm tidyup
2141.10Sdholland-------------
2151.5Sagc
2161.10Sdholland[agc says someone should look at our lvm stuff; XXX fill this in]
2171.5Sagc
2181.10Sdholland - As of November 2015 nobody is known to be working on this.
2191.10Sdholland - There is no clear timeframe or release target.
2201.10Sdholland - Contact agc for further information.
2211.5Sagc
2221.1Sagc
2231.10Sdholland9. Flash translation layer
2241.10Sdholland--------------------------
2251.9Sagc
2261.10SdhollandSSDs ship with firmware called a "flash translation layer" that
2271.10Sdhollandarbitrates between the block device software expects to see and the
2281.10Sdhollandraw flash chips. FTLs handle wear leveling, lifetime management, and
2291.10Sdhollandalso internal caching, striping, and other performance concerns. While
2301.10SdhollandNetBSD has a file system for raw flash (chfs), it seems that given
2311.10Sdhollandthings NetBSD is often used for it ought to come with a flash
2321.10Sdhollandtranslation layer as well.
2331.10Sdholland
2341.10SdhollandNote that this is an area where writing your own is probably a bad
2351.10Sdhollandplan; it is a complicated area with a lot of prior art that's also
2361.10Sdhollandreportedly full of patent mines. There are a couple of open FTL
2371.10Sdhollandimplementations that we might be able to import.
2381.10Sdholland
2391.10Sdholland - As of November 2015 nobody is known to be working on this.
2401.10Sdholland - There is no clear timeframe or release target.
2411.10Sdholland - Contact dholland for further information.
2421.10Sdholland
2431.10Sdholland
2441.10Sdholland10. Shingled disk support
2451.10Sdholland-------------------------
2461.10Sdholland
2471.10SdhollandShingled disks (or more technically, disks with "shingled magnetic
2481.10Sdhollandrecording" or SMR) can only write whole tracks at once. Thus, to
2491.10Sdhollandoperate effectively they require translation support similar to the
2501.10Sdhollandflash translation layers found in SSDs. The nature and structure of
2511.10Sdhollandshingle translation layers is still being researched; however, at some
2521.10Sdhollandpoint we will want to support these things in NetBSD.
2531.10Sdholland
2541.10Sdholland - As of November 2015 one of dholland's coworkers is looking at this.
2551.10Sdholland - There is no clear timeframe or release target.
2561.10Sdholland - Contact dholland for further information.
2571.10Sdholland
2581.10Sdholland
2591.10Sdholland11. ext3/ext4 support
2601.10Sdholland---------------------
2611.10Sdholland
2621.10SdhollandWe would like to be able to read and write Linux ext3fs and ext4fs
2631.10Sdhollandvolumes. (We can already read clean ext3fs volumes as they're the same
2641.10Sdhollandas ext2fs, modulo volume features our ext2fs code does not support;
2651.10Sdhollandbut we can't write them.)
2661.10Sdholland
2671.10SdhollandIdeally someone would write ext3 and/or ext4 code, whether integrated
2681.10Sdhollandwith or separate from the ext2 code we already have. It might also
2691.10Sdhollandmake sense to port or wrap the Linux ext3 or ext4 code so it can be
2701.10Sdhollandloaded as a GPL'd kernel module; it isn't clear if that would be more
2711.10Sdhollandor less work than doing an implementation.
2721.10Sdholland
2731.10SdhollandNote however that implementing ext3 has already defeated several
2741.10Sdhollandpeople; this is a harder project than it looks.
2751.10Sdholland
2761.10Sdholland - As of November 2015 nobody is known to be working on this.
2771.10Sdholland - There is no clear timeframe or release target.
2781.10Sdholland - Contact ?? for further information.
2791.10Sdholland
2801.10Sdholland
2811.10Sdholland12. Port hammer from Dragonfly
2821.10Sdholland------------------------------
2831.10Sdholland
2841.10SdhollandWhile the motivation for and role of hammer isn't perhaps super
2851.10Sdhollandpersuasive, it would still be good to have it. Porting it from
2861.10SdhollandDragonfly is probably not that painful (compared to, say, zfs) but as
2871.10Sdhollandthe Dragonfly and NetBSD VFS layers have diverged in different
2881.10Sdhollanddirections from the original 4.4BSD, may not be entirely trivial
2891.10Sdhollandeither.
2901.10Sdholland
2911.10Sdholland - As of November 2015 nobody is known to be working on this.
2921.10Sdholland - There is no clear timeframe or release target.
2931.10Sdholland - There probably isn't any particular person to contact; for VFS
2941.10Sdholland   concerns contact dholland or hannken.
2951.10Sdholland
2961.10Sdholland
2971.10Sdholland13. afs maintenance
2981.10Sdholland-------------------
2991.10Sdholland
3001.10SdhollandAFS needs periodic care and feeding to continue working as NetBSD
3011.10Sdhollandchanges, because the kernel-level bits aren't kept in the NetBSD tree
3021.10Sdhollandand don't get updated with other things. This is an ongoing issue that
3031.10Sdhollandalways seems to need more manpower than it gets. It might make sense
3041.10Sdhollandto import some of the kernel AFS code, or maybe even just some of the
3051.10Sdhollandglue layer that it uses, in order to keep it more current.
3061.10Sdholland
3071.10Sdholland - jakllsch sometimes works on this.
3081.10Sdholland - We would like every release to have working AFS by the time it's
3091.10Sdholland   released.
3101.10Sdholland - Contact jakllsch or gendalia about AFS; for VFS concerns contact
3111.10Sdholland   dholland or hannken.
3121.10Sdholland
3131.10Sdholland
3141.10Sdholland14. execute-in-place
3151.10Sdholland--------------------
3161.10Sdholland
3171.10SdhollandIt is likely that the future includes non-volatile storage (so-called
3181.10Sdholland"nvram") that looks like RAM from the perspective of software. Most
3191.10Sdhollandimportantly: the storage is memory-mapped rather than looking like a
3201.10Sdhollanddisk controller. There are a number of things NetBSD ought to have to
3211.10Sdhollandbe ready for this, of which probably the most important is
3221.10Sdholland"execute-in-place": when an executable is run from such storage, and
3231.10Sdhollandmapped into user memory with mmap, the storage hardware pages should
3241.10Sdhollandbe able to appear directly in user memory. Right now they get
3251.10Sdhollandgratuitously copied into RAM, which is slow and wasteful. There are
3261.10Sdhollandalso other reasons (e.g. embedded device ROMs) to want execute-in-
3271.10Sdhollandplace support.
3281.10Sdholland
3291.10SdhollandNote that at the implementation level this is a UVM issue rather than
3301.10Sdhollandstrictly a storage issue. 
3311.10Sdholland
3321.10SdhollandAlso note that one does not need access to nvram hardware to work on
3331.10Sdhollandthis issue; given the performance profiles touted for nvram
3341.10Sdhollandtechnologies, a plain RAM disk like md(4) is sufficient both
3351.10Sdhollandstructurally and for performance analysis.
3361.10Sdholland
3371.10Sdholland - As of November 2015 nobody is known to be working on this. Some
3381.10Sdholland   time back, uebayasi wrote some preliminary patches, but they were
3391.10Sdholland   rejected by the UVM maintainers.
3401.10Sdholland - There is no clear timeframe or release target.
3411.10Sdholland - Contact dholland for further information.
3421.10Sdholland
3431.10Sdholland
3441.10Sdholland15. coda maintenance
3451.10Sdholland--------------------
3461.10Sdholland
3471.10SdhollandCoda only sort of works. [And I think it's behind relative to
3481.10Sdhollandupstream, or something of the sort; XXX fill this in.] Also the code
3491.10Sdhollandappears to have an ugly incestuous relationship with FFS. This should
3501.10Sdhollandreally be cleaned up. That or maybe it's time to remove Coda.
3511.10Sdholland
3521.10Sdholland - As of November 2015 nobody is known to be working on this.
3531.10Sdholland - There is no clear timeframe or release target.
3541.10Sdholland - There isn't anyone in particular to contact.
3551.9Sagc
3561.9Sagc
3571.9SagcAlistair Crooks, David Holland
3581.10SdhollandFri Nov 20 02:17:53 EST 2015
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