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      2   1.1       agc 
      3   1.1       agc NetBSD Storage Roadmap
      4   1.1       agc ======================
      5   1.1       agc 
      6   1.1       agc This is a small roadmap document, and deals with the storage and file
      7  1.10  dholland systems side of the operating system. It discusses elements, projects,
      8  1.10  dholland and goals that are under development or under discussion; and it is
      9  1.10  dholland divided into three categories based on perceived priority.
     10  1.10  dholland 
     11  1.10  dholland The following elements, projects, and goals are considered strategic
     12  1.10  dholland priorities for the project:
     13  1.10  dholland 
     14  1.10  dholland  1. Improving iscsi
     15  1.10  dholland  2. nfsv4 support
     16  1.10  dholland  3. A better journaling file system solution
     17  1.30       nia  4. Stabilizing and improving zfs support
     18  1.10  dholland  5. Seamless full-disk encryption
     19  1.11  dholland  6. Finish tls-maxphys
     20  1.10  dholland 
     21  1.10  dholland The following elements, projects, and goals are not strategic
     22  1.10  dholland priorities but are still important undertakings worth doing:
     23  1.10  dholland 
     24  1.30       nia  7. lfs64
     25  1.30       nia  8. Per-process namespaces
     26  1.30       nia  9. lvm tidyup
     27  1.30       nia  10. Flash translation layer
     28  1.30       nia  11. Shingled disk support
     29  1.30       nia  12. ext3/ext4 support
     30  1.30       nia  13. Port hammer from Dragonfly
     31  1.30       nia  14. afs maintenance
     32  1.30       nia  15. execute-in-place
     33  1.30       nia  16. extended attributes for acl and capability storage
     34  1.10  dholland 
     35  1.10  dholland The following elements, projects, and goals are perhaps less pressing;
     36  1.10  dholland this doesn't mean one shouldn't work on them but the expected payoff
     37  1.10  dholland is perhaps less than for other things:
     38   1.1       agc 
     39  1.30       nia  17. coda maintenance
     40   1.1       agc 
     41   1.8       agc 
     42  1.10  dholland Explanations
     43  1.10  dholland ============
     44   1.1       agc 
     45  1.10  dholland 1. Improving iscsi
     46  1.10  dholland ------------------
     47   1.1       agc 
     48  1.10  dholland Both the existing iscsi target and initiator are fairly bad code, and
     49  1.10  dholland neither works terribly well. Fixing this is fairly important as iscsi
     50  1.10  dholland is where it's at for remote block devices. Note that there appears to
     51  1.10  dholland be no compelling reason to move the target to the kernel or otherwise
     52  1.10  dholland make major architectural changes.
     53  1.10  dholland 
     54  1.21  dholland  - As of January 2017 nobody is known to be working on this.
     55  1.10  dholland  - There is currently no clear timeframe or release target.
     56  1.10  dholland  - Contact agc for further information.
     57  1.10  dholland 
     58  1.10  dholland 
     59  1.10  dholland 2. nfsv4 support
     60  1.10  dholland ----------------
     61  1.10  dholland 
     62  1.10  dholland nfsv4 is at this point the de facto standard for FS-level (as opposed
     63  1.10  dholland to block-level) network volumes in production settings. The legacy nfs
     64  1.10  dholland code currently in NetBSD only supports nfsv2 and nfsv3.
     65  1.10  dholland 
     66  1.10  dholland The intended plan is to port FreeBSD's nfsv4 code, which also includes
     67  1.10  dholland nfsv2 and nfsv3 support, and eventually transition to it completely,
     68  1.10  dholland dropping our current nfs code. (Which is kind of a mess.) So far the
     69  1.10  dholland only step that has been taken is to import the code from FreeBSD. The
     70  1.10  dholland next step is to update that import (since it was done a while ago now)
     71  1.10  dholland and then work on getting it to configure and compile.
     72  1.10  dholland 
     73  1.21  dholland  - As of January 2017 pgoyette has done a bit of prodding of the code
     74  1.21  dholland    recently, but otherwise nobody is working on this, and a volunteer to
     75  1.21  dholland    take charge and move it forward rapidly is urgently needed.
     76  1.10  dholland  - There is no clear timeframe or release target, although having an
     77  1.10  dholland    experimental version ready for -8 would be great.
     78  1.10  dholland  - Contact dholland for further information.
     79  1.10  dholland 
     80  1.10  dholland 
     81  1.10  dholland 3. A better journaling file system solution
     82  1.10  dholland -------------------------------------------
     83  1.10  dholland 
     84  1.10  dholland WAPBL, the journaling FFS that NetBSD rolled out some time back, has a
     85  1.10  dholland critical problem: it does not address the historic ffs behavior of
     86  1.10  dholland allowing stale on-disk data to leak into user files in crashes. And
     87  1.10  dholland because it runs faster, this happens more often and with more data.
     88  1.10  dholland This situation is both a correctness and a security liability. Fixing
     89  1.10  dholland it has turned out to be difficult. It is not really clear what the
     90  1.10  dholland best option at this point is:
     91  1.10  dholland 
     92  1.10  dholland + Fixing WAPBL (e.g. to flush newly allocated/newly written blocks to
     93  1.10  dholland disk early) has been examined by several people who know the code base
     94  1.13  dholland and judged difficult. Also, some other problems have come to light
     95  1.20  jdolecek more recently; e.g. PR 50725, and 45676. Still, it might be the best
     96  1.23  jdolecek way forward. Some performance and stability issues were resolved
     97  1.23  jdolecek in netbsd-8, and more work is planned.
     98  1.10  dholland 
     99  1.10  dholland + There is another journaling FFS; the Harvard one done by Margo
    100  1.10  dholland Seltzer's group some years back. We have a copy of this, but as it was
    101  1.10  dholland written in BSD/OS circa 1999 it needs a lot of merging, and then will
    102  1.10  dholland undoubtedly also need a certain amount of polishing to be ready for
    103  1.10  dholland production use. It does record-based rather than block-based
    104  1.10  dholland journaling and does not share the stale data problem.
    105  1.10  dholland 
    106  1.10  dholland + We could bring back softupdates (in the softupdates-with-journaling
    107  1.10  dholland form found today in FreeBSD) -- this code is even more complicated
    108  1.10  dholland than the softupdates code we removed back in 2009, and it's not clear
    109  1.10  dholland that it's any more robust either. However, it would solve the stale
    110  1.10  dholland data problem if someone wanted to port it over. It isn't clear that
    111  1.10  dholland this would be any less work than getting the Harvard journaling FFS
    112  1.10  dholland running... or than writing a whole new file system either.
    113  1.10  dholland 
    114  1.10  dholland + We could write a whole new journaling file system. (That is, not
    115  1.10  dholland FFS. Doing a new journaling FFS implementation is probably not
    116  1.10  dholland sensible relative to merging the Harvard journaling FFS.) This is a
    117  1.10  dholland big project.
    118  1.10  dholland 
    119  1.10  dholland Right now it is not clear which of these avenues is the best way
    120  1.10  dholland forward. Given the general manpower shortage, it may be that the best
    121  1.10  dholland way is whatever looks best to someone who wants to work on the
    122  1.10  dholland problem.
    123  1.10  dholland 
    124  1.23  jdolecek  - There is no clear timeframe or release target; but given that WAPBL
    125  1.23  jdolecek    has been disabled by default for new installs in -7 this problem
    126  1.23  jdolecek    can reasonably be said to have become critical.
    127  1.23  jdolecek  - jdolecek fixed some WAPBL stability issues, that work is included
    128  1.23  jdolecek    in netbsd-8, could be possibly enough for making it default for new
    129  1.23  jdolecek    installs again; there is kern/47030 which seems to be triggered by WAPBL
    130  1.23  jdolecek    however
    131  1.16  jdolecek  - There has been some interest in the Harvard journaling FFS but no
    132  1.16  jdolecek    significant progress. Nobody is known to be working on or particularly
    133  1.10  dholland    interested in porting softupdates-with-journaling. And, while
    134  1.10  dholland    dholland has been mumbling for some time about a plan for a
    135  1.10  dholland    specific new file system to solve this problem, there isn't any
    136  1.10  dholland    realistic prospect of significant progress on that in the
    137  1.10  dholland    foreseeable future, and nobody else is known to have or be working
    138  1.10  dholland    on even that much.
    139  1.23  jdolecek  - Contact joerg, martin, or jdolecek regarding WAPBL; contact dholland
    140  1.23  jdolecek    regarding the Harvard journaling FFS.
    141  1.10  dholland 
    142  1.10  dholland 
    143  1.10  dholland 5. Seamless full-disk encryption
    144  1.10  dholland --------------------------------
    145   1.1       agc 
    146  1.10  dholland (This is only sort of a storage issue.) We have cgd, and it is
    147  1.10  dholland believed to still be cryptographically suitable, at least for the time
    148  1.10  dholland being. However, we don't have any of the following things:
    149   1.1       agc 
    150  1.10  dholland + An easy way to install a machine with full-disk encryption. It
    151  1.10  dholland should really just be a checkbox item in sysinst, or not much more
    152  1.10  dholland than that.
    153   1.5       agc 
    154  1.10  dholland + Ideally, also an easy way to turn on full-disk encryption for a
    155  1.10  dholland machine that's already been installed, though this is harder.
    156   1.1       agc 
    157  1.10  dholland + A good story for booting off a disk that is otherwise encrypted;
    158  1.10  dholland obviously one cannot encrypt the bootblocks, but it isn't clear where
    159  1.10  dholland in boot the encrypted volume should take over, or how to make a best
    160  1.10  dholland effort at protecting the unencrypted elements needed to boot. (At
    161  1.10  dholland least, in the absence of something like UEFI secure boot combined with
    162  1.29    rillig a cryptographic oracle to sign your bootloader image so UEFI will
    163  1.10  dholland accept it.) There's also the question of how one runs cgdconfig(8) and
    164  1.10  dholland where the cgdconfig binary comes from.
    165   1.1       agc 
    166  1.10  dholland + A reasonable way to handle volume passphrases. MacOS apparently uses
    167  1.10  dholland login passwords for this (or as passphrases for secondary keys, or
    168  1.10  dholland something) and this seems to work well enough apart from the somewhat
    169  1.10  dholland surreal experience of sometimes having to log in twice. However, it
    170  1.10  dholland will complicate the bootup story.
    171   1.1       agc 
    172  1.10  dholland Given the increasing regulatory-level importance of full-disk
    173  1.10  dholland encryption, this is at least a de facto requirement for using NetBSD
    174  1.10  dholland on laptops in many circumstances.
    175   1.1       agc 
    176  1.21  dholland  - As of January 2017 nobody is known to be working on this.
    177  1.10  dholland  - There is no clear timeframe or release target.
    178  1.10  dholland  - Contact dholland for further information.
    179   1.5       agc 
    180   1.5       agc 
    181  1.11  dholland 6. Finish tls-maxphys
    182  1.11  dholland ---------------------
    183  1.11  dholland 
    184  1.11  dholland The tls-maxphys branch changes MAXPHYS (the maximum size of a single
    185  1.11  dholland I/O request) from a global fixed constant to a value that's probed
    186  1.11  dholland separately for each particular I/O channel based on its
    187  1.11  dholland capabilities. Large values are highly desirable for e.g. feeding large
    188  1.21  dholland disk arrays and SSDs, but do not work with all hardware.
    189  1.11  dholland 
    190  1.11  dholland The code is nearly done and just needs more testing and support in
    191  1.11  dholland more drivers.
    192  1.11  dholland 
    193  1.26  jdolecek  - On October 2017 jdolecek re-synced the branch, intention is to wrap
    194  1.25  jdolecek    this up for future netbsd-9
    195  1.25  jdolecek  - Contact jdolecek or tls for further information.
    196  1.11  dholland 
    197  1.11  dholland 
    198  1.30       nia 7. lfs64
    199  1.10  dholland --------
    200   1.5       agc 
    201  1.10  dholland LFS currently only supports volumes up to 2 TB. As LFS is of interest
    202  1.10  dholland for use on shingled disks (which are larger than 2 TB) and also for
    203  1.10  dholland use on disk arrays (ditto) this is something of a problem. A 64-bit
    204  1.10  dholland version of LFS for large volumes is in the works.
    205   1.5       agc 
    206  1.21  dholland  - dholland was working on this in fall 2015 but time to finish it
    207  1.21  dholland    dried up.
    208  1.21  dholland  - The goal now is to get a few remaining things done in time for 8.0
    209  1.21  dholland    so it will at least be ready for experimental use there.
    210  1.10  dholland  - Responsible: dholland
    211   1.5       agc 
    212   1.8       agc 
    213  1.30       nia 8. Per-process namespaces
    214  1.10  dholland -------------------------
    215   1.5       agc 
    216  1.10  dholland Support for per-process variation of the file system namespace enables
    217  1.10  dholland a number of things; more flexible chroots, for example, and also
    218  1.10  dholland potentially more efficient pkgsrc builds. dholland thought up a
    219  1.21  dholland somewhat hackish but low-footprint way to implement this, and has a
    220  1.21  dholland preliminary implementation, but concluded the scheme was too fragile
    221  1.21  dholland for production. A different approach is probably needed, although the
    222  1.21  dholland existing code could be tidied up and committed if that seems desirable.
    223   1.5       agc 
    224  1.21  dholland  - As of January 2017 nobody is working on this.
    225  1.21  dholland  - Contact: dholland
    226   1.5       agc 
    227   1.8       agc 
    228  1.30       nia 9. lvm tidyup
    229  1.11  dholland --------------
    230   1.5       agc 
    231  1.10  dholland [agc says someone should look at our lvm stuff; XXX fill this in]
    232   1.5       agc 
    233  1.21  dholland  - As of January 2017 nobody is known to be working on this.
    234  1.10  dholland  - There is no clear timeframe or release target.
    235  1.10  dholland  - Contact agc for further information.
    236   1.5       agc 
    237   1.1       agc 
    238  1.30       nia 10. Flash translation layer
    239  1.11  dholland ---------------------------
    240   1.9       agc 
    241  1.10  dholland SSDs ship with firmware called a "flash translation layer" that
    242  1.10  dholland arbitrates between the block device software expects to see and the
    243  1.10  dholland raw flash chips. FTLs handle wear leveling, lifetime management, and
    244  1.10  dholland also internal caching, striping, and other performance concerns. While
    245  1.10  dholland NetBSD has a file system for raw flash (chfs), it seems that given
    246  1.10  dholland things NetBSD is often used for it ought to come with a flash
    247  1.10  dholland translation layer as well.
    248  1.10  dholland 
    249  1.10  dholland Note that this is an area where writing your own is probably a bad
    250  1.10  dholland plan; it is a complicated area with a lot of prior art that's also
    251  1.10  dholland reportedly full of patent mines. There are a couple of open FTL
    252  1.10  dholland implementations that we might be able to import.
    253  1.10  dholland 
    254  1.21  dholland  - As of January 2017 nobody is known to be working on this.
    255  1.10  dholland  - There is no clear timeframe or release target.
    256  1.10  dholland  - Contact dholland for further information.
    257  1.10  dholland 
    258  1.10  dholland 
    259  1.30       nia 11. Shingled disk support
    260  1.10  dholland -------------------------
    261  1.10  dholland 
    262  1.10  dholland Shingled disks (or more technically, disks with "shingled magnetic
    263  1.10  dholland recording" or SMR) can only write whole tracks at once. Thus, to
    264  1.10  dholland operate effectively they require translation support similar to the
    265  1.10  dholland flash translation layers found in SSDs. The nature and structure of
    266  1.10  dholland shingle translation layers is still being researched; however, at some
    267  1.10  dholland point we will want to support these things in NetBSD.
    268  1.10  dholland 
    269  1.21  dholland  - As of 2016 one of dholland's coworkers was looking at this.
    270  1.10  dholland  - There is no clear timeframe or release target.
    271  1.10  dholland  - Contact dholland for further information.
    272  1.10  dholland 
    273  1.10  dholland 
    274  1.30       nia 12. ext3/ext4 support
    275  1.10  dholland ---------------------
    276  1.10  dholland 
    277  1.30       nia Currently people are mostly using the kernel implementation of
    278  1.30       nia ext2 or using filesystems/fuse-ext2 from pkgsrc for later versions.
    279  1.30       nia 
    280  1.10  dholland We would like to be able to read and write Linux ext3fs and ext4fs
    281  1.10  dholland volumes. (We can already read clean ext3fs volumes as they're the same
    282  1.10  dholland as ext2fs, modulo volume features our ext2fs code does not support;
    283  1.10  dholland but we can't write them.)
    284  1.10  dholland 
    285  1.10  dholland Ideally someone would write ext3 and/or ext4 code, whether integrated
    286  1.10  dholland with or separate from the ext2 code we already have. It might also
    287  1.10  dholland make sense to port or wrap the Linux ext3 or ext4 code so it can be
    288  1.10  dholland loaded as a GPL'd kernel module; it isn't clear if that would be more
    289  1.10  dholland or less work than doing an implementation.
    290  1.10  dholland 
    291  1.10  dholland Note however that implementing ext3 has already defeated several
    292  1.10  dholland people; this is a harder project than it looks.
    293  1.10  dholland 
    294  1.17  jdolecek  - GSoc 2016 brought support for extents, and also ro support for dir
    295  1.17  jdolecek    hashes; jdolecek also implemented several frequently used ext4 features
    296  1.17  jdolecek    so most contemporary ext filesystems should be possible to mount
    297  1.17  jdolecek    read-write
    298  1.28    andvar  - still need rw dir_nhash and xattr (semi-easy), and eventually journaling
    299  1.17  jdolecek    (hard)
    300  1.10  dholland  - There is no clear timeframe or release target.
    301  1.28    andvar  - jdolecek is working on improving ext3/ext4 support (particularly
    302  1.28    andvar    journaling) 
    303  1.10  dholland 
    304  1.10  dholland 
    305  1.30       nia 13. Port hammer from Dragonfly
    306  1.10  dholland ------------------------------
    307  1.10  dholland 
    308  1.10  dholland While the motivation for and role of hammer isn't perhaps super
    309  1.10  dholland persuasive, it would still be good to have it. Porting it from
    310  1.10  dholland Dragonfly is probably not that painful (compared to, say, zfs) but as
    311  1.10  dholland the Dragonfly and NetBSD VFS layers have diverged in different
    312  1.10  dholland directions from the original 4.4BSD, may not be entirely trivial
    313  1.10  dholland either.
    314  1.10  dholland 
    315  1.21  dholland  - As of January 2017 nobody is known to be working on this.
    316  1.10  dholland  - There is no clear timeframe or release target.
    317  1.10  dholland  - There probably isn't any particular person to contact; for VFS
    318  1.10  dholland    concerns contact dholland or hannken.
    319  1.10  dholland 
    320  1.10  dholland 
    321  1.30       nia 14. afs maintenance
    322  1.10  dholland -------------------
    323  1.10  dholland 
    324  1.10  dholland AFS needs periodic care and feeding to continue working as NetBSD
    325  1.10  dholland changes, because the kernel-level bits aren't kept in the NetBSD tree
    326  1.10  dholland and don't get updated with other things. This is an ongoing issue that
    327  1.10  dholland always seems to need more manpower than it gets. It might make sense
    328  1.10  dholland to import some of the kernel AFS code, or maybe even just some of the
    329  1.10  dholland glue layer that it uses, in order to keep it more current.
    330  1.10  dholland 
    331  1.10  dholland  - jakllsch sometimes works on this.
    332  1.10  dholland  - We would like every release to have working AFS by the time it's
    333  1.10  dholland    released.
    334  1.10  dholland  - Contact jakllsch or gendalia about AFS; for VFS concerns contact
    335  1.10  dholland    dholland or hannken.
    336  1.10  dholland 
    337  1.10  dholland 
    338  1.30       nia 15. execute-in-place
    339  1.10  dholland --------------------
    340  1.10  dholland 
    341  1.10  dholland It is likely that the future includes non-volatile storage (so-called
    342  1.10  dholland "nvram") that looks like RAM from the perspective of software. Most
    343  1.10  dholland importantly: the storage is memory-mapped rather than looking like a
    344  1.10  dholland disk controller. There are a number of things NetBSD ought to have to
    345  1.10  dholland be ready for this, of which probably the most important is
    346  1.10  dholland "execute-in-place": when an executable is run from such storage, and
    347  1.10  dholland mapped into user memory with mmap, the storage hardware pages should
    348  1.10  dholland be able to appear directly in user memory. Right now they get
    349  1.10  dholland gratuitously copied into RAM, which is slow and wasteful. There are
    350  1.10  dholland also other reasons (e.g. embedded device ROMs) to want execute-in-
    351  1.10  dholland place support.
    352  1.10  dholland 
    353  1.10  dholland Note that at the implementation level this is a UVM issue rather than
    354  1.10  dholland strictly a storage issue. 
    355  1.10  dholland 
    356  1.10  dholland Also note that one does not need access to nvram hardware to work on
    357  1.10  dholland this issue; given the performance profiles touted for nvram
    358  1.10  dholland technologies, a plain RAM disk like md(4) is sufficient both
    359  1.10  dholland structurally and for performance analysis.
    360  1.10  dholland 
    361  1.21  dholland  - As of January 2017 nobody is known to be working on this. Some
    362  1.10  dholland    time back, uebayasi wrote some preliminary patches, but they were
    363  1.10  dholland    rejected by the UVM maintainers.
    364  1.10  dholland  - There is no clear timeframe or release target.
    365  1.10  dholland  - Contact dholland for further information.
    366  1.10  dholland 
    367  1.10  dholland 
    368  1.30       nia 16. use extended attributes for ACL and capability storage
    369  1.15  christos ----------------------------------------------------------
    370  1.15  christos 
    371  1.15  christos Currently there is some support for extended attributes in ffs,
    372  1.15  christos but nothing really uses it. I would be nice if we came up with
    373  1.15  christos a standard format to store ACL's and capabilities like Linux has.
    374  1.15  christos The various tools must be modified to understand this and be able
    375  1.15  christos to copy them if requested. Also tools to manipulate the data will
    376  1.15  christos need to be written.
    377  1.15  christos 
    378  1.21  dholland 
    379  1.30       nia 17. coda maintenance
    380  1.10  dholland --------------------
    381  1.10  dholland 
    382  1.10  dholland Coda only sort of works. [And I think it's behind relative to
    383  1.10  dholland upstream, or something of the sort; XXX fill this in.] Also the code
    384  1.10  dholland appears to have an ugly incestuous relationship with FFS. This should
    385  1.10  dholland really be cleaned up. That or maybe it's time to remove Coda.
    386  1.10  dholland 
    387  1.21  dholland  - As of January 2017 nobody is known to be working on this.
    388  1.10  dholland  - There is no clear timeframe or release target.
    389  1.10  dholland  - There isn't anyone in particular to contact.
    390  1.15  christos  - Circa 2012 christos made it work read-write and split it
    391  1.15  christos    into modules. Since then christos has not tested it.
    392   1.9       agc 
    393  1.21  dholland 
    394   1.9       agc Alistair Crooks, David Holland
    395  1.10  dholland Fri Nov 20 02:17:53 EST 2015
    396  1.12  dholland Sun May  1 16:50:42 EDT 2016 (some updates)
    397  1.21  dholland Fri Jan 13 00:40:50 EST 2017 (some more updates)
    398  1.12  dholland 
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