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2 1.1 agc
3 1.1 agc NetBSD Storage Roadmap
4 1.1 agc ======================
5 1.1 agc
6 1.1 agc This is a small roadmap document, and deals with the storage and file
7 1.10 dholland systems side of the operating system. It discusses elements, projects,
8 1.10 dholland and goals that are under development or under discussion; and it is
9 1.10 dholland divided into three categories based on perceived priority.
10 1.10 dholland
11 1.10 dholland The following elements, projects, and goals are considered strategic
12 1.10 dholland priorities for the project:
13 1.10 dholland
14 1.10 dholland 1. Improving iscsi
15 1.10 dholland 2. nfsv4 support
16 1.10 dholland 3. A better journaling file system solution
17 1.30 nia 4. Stabilizing and improving zfs support
18 1.10 dholland 5. Seamless full-disk encryption
19 1.11 dholland 6. Finish tls-maxphys
20 1.10 dholland
21 1.10 dholland The following elements, projects, and goals are not strategic
22 1.10 dholland priorities but are still important undertakings worth doing:
23 1.10 dholland
24 1.30 nia 7. lfs64
25 1.30 nia 8. Per-process namespaces
26 1.30 nia 9. lvm tidyup
27 1.30 nia 10. Flash translation layer
28 1.30 nia 11. Shingled disk support
29 1.30 nia 12. ext3/ext4 support
30 1.30 nia 13. Port hammer from Dragonfly
31 1.30 nia 14. afs maintenance
32 1.30 nia 15. execute-in-place
33 1.30 nia 16. extended attributes for acl and capability storage
34 1.10 dholland
35 1.10 dholland The following elements, projects, and goals are perhaps less pressing;
36 1.10 dholland this doesn't mean one shouldn't work on them but the expected payoff
37 1.10 dholland is perhaps less than for other things:
38 1.1 agc
39 1.30 nia 17. coda maintenance
40 1.1 agc
41 1.8 agc
42 1.10 dholland Explanations
43 1.10 dholland ============
44 1.1 agc
45 1.10 dholland 1. Improving iscsi
46 1.10 dholland ------------------
47 1.1 agc
48 1.10 dholland Both the existing iscsi target and initiator are fairly bad code, and
49 1.10 dholland neither works terribly well. Fixing this is fairly important as iscsi
50 1.10 dholland is where it's at for remote block devices. Note that there appears to
51 1.10 dholland be no compelling reason to move the target to the kernel or otherwise
52 1.10 dholland make major architectural changes.
53 1.10 dholland
54 1.21 dholland - As of January 2017 nobody is known to be working on this.
55 1.10 dholland - There is currently no clear timeframe or release target.
56 1.10 dholland - Contact agc for further information.
57 1.10 dholland
58 1.10 dholland
59 1.10 dholland 2. nfsv4 support
60 1.10 dholland ----------------
61 1.10 dholland
62 1.10 dholland nfsv4 is at this point the de facto standard for FS-level (as opposed
63 1.10 dholland to block-level) network volumes in production settings. The legacy nfs
64 1.10 dholland code currently in NetBSD only supports nfsv2 and nfsv3.
65 1.10 dholland
66 1.10 dholland The intended plan is to port FreeBSD's nfsv4 code, which also includes
67 1.10 dholland nfsv2 and nfsv3 support, and eventually transition to it completely,
68 1.10 dholland dropping our current nfs code. (Which is kind of a mess.) So far the
69 1.10 dholland only step that has been taken is to import the code from FreeBSD. The
70 1.10 dholland next step is to update that import (since it was done a while ago now)
71 1.10 dholland and then work on getting it to configure and compile.
72 1.10 dholland
73 1.21 dholland - As of January 2017 pgoyette has done a bit of prodding of the code
74 1.21 dholland recently, but otherwise nobody is working on this, and a volunteer to
75 1.21 dholland take charge and move it forward rapidly is urgently needed.
76 1.10 dholland - There is no clear timeframe or release target, although having an
77 1.10 dholland experimental version ready for -8 would be great.
78 1.10 dholland - Contact dholland for further information.
79 1.10 dholland
80 1.10 dholland
81 1.10 dholland 3. A better journaling file system solution
82 1.10 dholland -------------------------------------------
83 1.10 dholland
84 1.10 dholland WAPBL, the journaling FFS that NetBSD rolled out some time back, has a
85 1.10 dholland critical problem: it does not address the historic ffs behavior of
86 1.10 dholland allowing stale on-disk data to leak into user files in crashes. And
87 1.10 dholland because it runs faster, this happens more often and with more data.
88 1.10 dholland This situation is both a correctness and a security liability. Fixing
89 1.10 dholland it has turned out to be difficult. It is not really clear what the
90 1.10 dholland best option at this point is:
91 1.10 dholland
92 1.10 dholland + Fixing WAPBL (e.g. to flush newly allocated/newly written blocks to
93 1.10 dholland disk early) has been examined by several people who know the code base
94 1.13 dholland and judged difficult. Also, some other problems have come to light
95 1.20 jdolecek more recently; e.g. PR 50725, and 45676. Still, it might be the best
96 1.23 jdolecek way forward. Some performance and stability issues were resolved
97 1.23 jdolecek in netbsd-8, and more work is planned.
98 1.10 dholland
99 1.10 dholland + There is another journaling FFS; the Harvard one done by Margo
100 1.10 dholland Seltzer's group some years back. We have a copy of this, but as it was
101 1.10 dholland written in BSD/OS circa 1999 it needs a lot of merging, and then will
102 1.10 dholland undoubtedly also need a certain amount of polishing to be ready for
103 1.10 dholland production use. It does record-based rather than block-based
104 1.10 dholland journaling and does not share the stale data problem.
105 1.10 dholland
106 1.10 dholland + We could bring back softupdates (in the softupdates-with-journaling
107 1.10 dholland form found today in FreeBSD) -- this code is even more complicated
108 1.10 dholland than the softupdates code we removed back in 2009, and it's not clear
109 1.10 dholland that it's any more robust either. However, it would solve the stale
110 1.10 dholland data problem if someone wanted to port it over. It isn't clear that
111 1.10 dholland this would be any less work than getting the Harvard journaling FFS
112 1.10 dholland running... or than writing a whole new file system either.
113 1.10 dholland
114 1.10 dholland + We could write a whole new journaling file system. (That is, not
115 1.10 dholland FFS. Doing a new journaling FFS implementation is probably not
116 1.10 dholland sensible relative to merging the Harvard journaling FFS.) This is a
117 1.10 dholland big project.
118 1.10 dholland
119 1.10 dholland Right now it is not clear which of these avenues is the best way
120 1.10 dholland forward. Given the general manpower shortage, it may be that the best
121 1.10 dholland way is whatever looks best to someone who wants to work on the
122 1.10 dholland problem.
123 1.10 dholland
124 1.23 jdolecek - There is no clear timeframe or release target; but given that WAPBL
125 1.23 jdolecek has been disabled by default for new installs in -7 this problem
126 1.23 jdolecek can reasonably be said to have become critical.
127 1.23 jdolecek - jdolecek fixed some WAPBL stability issues, that work is included
128 1.23 jdolecek in netbsd-8, could be possibly enough for making it default for new
129 1.23 jdolecek installs again; there is kern/47030 which seems to be triggered by WAPBL
130 1.23 jdolecek however
131 1.16 jdolecek - There has been some interest in the Harvard journaling FFS but no
132 1.16 jdolecek significant progress. Nobody is known to be working on or particularly
133 1.10 dholland interested in porting softupdates-with-journaling. And, while
134 1.10 dholland dholland has been mumbling for some time about a plan for a
135 1.10 dholland specific new file system to solve this problem, there isn't any
136 1.10 dholland realistic prospect of significant progress on that in the
137 1.10 dholland foreseeable future, and nobody else is known to have or be working
138 1.10 dholland on even that much.
139 1.23 jdolecek - Contact joerg, martin, or jdolecek regarding WAPBL; contact dholland
140 1.23 jdolecek regarding the Harvard journaling FFS.
141 1.10 dholland
142 1.10 dholland
143 1.10 dholland 5. Seamless full-disk encryption
144 1.10 dholland --------------------------------
145 1.1 agc
146 1.10 dholland (This is only sort of a storage issue.) We have cgd, and it is
147 1.10 dholland believed to still be cryptographically suitable, at least for the time
148 1.10 dholland being. However, we don't have any of the following things:
149 1.1 agc
150 1.10 dholland + An easy way to install a machine with full-disk encryption. It
151 1.10 dholland should really just be a checkbox item in sysinst, or not much more
152 1.10 dholland than that.
153 1.5 agc
154 1.10 dholland + Ideally, also an easy way to turn on full-disk encryption for a
155 1.10 dholland machine that's already been installed, though this is harder.
156 1.1 agc
157 1.10 dholland + A good story for booting off a disk that is otherwise encrypted;
158 1.10 dholland obviously one cannot encrypt the bootblocks, but it isn't clear where
159 1.10 dholland in boot the encrypted volume should take over, or how to make a best
160 1.10 dholland effort at protecting the unencrypted elements needed to boot. (At
161 1.10 dholland least, in the absence of something like UEFI secure boot combined with
162 1.29 rillig a cryptographic oracle to sign your bootloader image so UEFI will
163 1.10 dholland accept it.) There's also the question of how one runs cgdconfig(8) and
164 1.10 dholland where the cgdconfig binary comes from.
165 1.1 agc
166 1.10 dholland + A reasonable way to handle volume passphrases. MacOS apparently uses
167 1.10 dholland login passwords for this (or as passphrases for secondary keys, or
168 1.10 dholland something) and this seems to work well enough apart from the somewhat
169 1.10 dholland surreal experience of sometimes having to log in twice. However, it
170 1.10 dholland will complicate the bootup story.
171 1.1 agc
172 1.10 dholland Given the increasing regulatory-level importance of full-disk
173 1.10 dholland encryption, this is at least a de facto requirement for using NetBSD
174 1.10 dholland on laptops in many circumstances.
175 1.1 agc
176 1.21 dholland - As of January 2017 nobody is known to be working on this.
177 1.10 dholland - There is no clear timeframe or release target.
178 1.10 dholland - Contact dholland for further information.
179 1.5 agc
180 1.5 agc
181 1.11 dholland 6. Finish tls-maxphys
182 1.11 dholland ---------------------
183 1.11 dholland
184 1.11 dholland The tls-maxphys branch changes MAXPHYS (the maximum size of a single
185 1.11 dholland I/O request) from a global fixed constant to a value that's probed
186 1.11 dholland separately for each particular I/O channel based on its
187 1.11 dholland capabilities. Large values are highly desirable for e.g. feeding large
188 1.21 dholland disk arrays and SSDs, but do not work with all hardware.
189 1.11 dholland
190 1.11 dholland The code is nearly done and just needs more testing and support in
191 1.11 dholland more drivers.
192 1.11 dholland
193 1.26 jdolecek - On October 2017 jdolecek re-synced the branch, intention is to wrap
194 1.25 jdolecek this up for future netbsd-9
195 1.25 jdolecek - Contact jdolecek or tls for further information.
196 1.11 dholland
197 1.11 dholland
198 1.30 nia 7. lfs64
199 1.10 dholland --------
200 1.5 agc
201 1.10 dholland LFS currently only supports volumes up to 2 TB. As LFS is of interest
202 1.10 dholland for use on shingled disks (which are larger than 2 TB) and also for
203 1.10 dholland use on disk arrays (ditto) this is something of a problem. A 64-bit
204 1.10 dholland version of LFS for large volumes is in the works.
205 1.5 agc
206 1.21 dholland - dholland was working on this in fall 2015 but time to finish it
207 1.21 dholland dried up.
208 1.21 dholland - The goal now is to get a few remaining things done in time for 8.0
209 1.21 dholland so it will at least be ready for experimental use there.
210 1.10 dholland - Responsible: dholland
211 1.5 agc
212 1.8 agc
213 1.30 nia 8. Per-process namespaces
214 1.10 dholland -------------------------
215 1.5 agc
216 1.10 dholland Support for per-process variation of the file system namespace enables
217 1.10 dholland a number of things; more flexible chroots, for example, and also
218 1.10 dholland potentially more efficient pkgsrc builds. dholland thought up a
219 1.21 dholland somewhat hackish but low-footprint way to implement this, and has a
220 1.21 dholland preliminary implementation, but concluded the scheme was too fragile
221 1.21 dholland for production. A different approach is probably needed, although the
222 1.21 dholland existing code could be tidied up and committed if that seems desirable.
223 1.5 agc
224 1.21 dholland - As of January 2017 nobody is working on this.
225 1.21 dholland - Contact: dholland
226 1.5 agc
227 1.8 agc
228 1.30 nia 9. lvm tidyup
229 1.11 dholland --------------
230 1.5 agc
231 1.10 dholland [agc says someone should look at our lvm stuff; XXX fill this in]
232 1.5 agc
233 1.21 dholland - As of January 2017 nobody is known to be working on this.
234 1.10 dholland - There is no clear timeframe or release target.
235 1.10 dholland - Contact agc for further information.
236 1.5 agc
237 1.1 agc
238 1.30 nia 10. Flash translation layer
239 1.11 dholland ---------------------------
240 1.9 agc
241 1.10 dholland SSDs ship with firmware called a "flash translation layer" that
242 1.10 dholland arbitrates between the block device software expects to see and the
243 1.10 dholland raw flash chips. FTLs handle wear leveling, lifetime management, and
244 1.10 dholland also internal caching, striping, and other performance concerns. While
245 1.10 dholland NetBSD has a file system for raw flash (chfs), it seems that given
246 1.10 dholland things NetBSD is often used for it ought to come with a flash
247 1.10 dholland translation layer as well.
248 1.10 dholland
249 1.10 dholland Note that this is an area where writing your own is probably a bad
250 1.10 dholland plan; it is a complicated area with a lot of prior art that's also
251 1.10 dholland reportedly full of patent mines. There are a couple of open FTL
252 1.10 dholland implementations that we might be able to import.
253 1.10 dholland
254 1.21 dholland - As of January 2017 nobody is known to be working on this.
255 1.10 dholland - There is no clear timeframe or release target.
256 1.10 dholland - Contact dholland for further information.
257 1.10 dholland
258 1.10 dholland
259 1.30 nia 11. Shingled disk support
260 1.10 dholland -------------------------
261 1.10 dholland
262 1.10 dholland Shingled disks (or more technically, disks with "shingled magnetic
263 1.10 dholland recording" or SMR) can only write whole tracks at once. Thus, to
264 1.10 dholland operate effectively they require translation support similar to the
265 1.10 dholland flash translation layers found in SSDs. The nature and structure of
266 1.10 dholland shingle translation layers is still being researched; however, at some
267 1.10 dholland point we will want to support these things in NetBSD.
268 1.10 dholland
269 1.21 dholland - As of 2016 one of dholland's coworkers was looking at this.
270 1.10 dholland - There is no clear timeframe or release target.
271 1.10 dholland - Contact dholland for further information.
272 1.10 dholland
273 1.10 dholland
274 1.30 nia 12. ext3/ext4 support
275 1.10 dholland ---------------------
276 1.10 dholland
277 1.30 nia Currently people are mostly using the kernel implementation of
278 1.30 nia ext2 or using filesystems/fuse-ext2 from pkgsrc for later versions.
279 1.30 nia
280 1.10 dholland We would like to be able to read and write Linux ext3fs and ext4fs
281 1.10 dholland volumes. (We can already read clean ext3fs volumes as they're the same
282 1.10 dholland as ext2fs, modulo volume features our ext2fs code does not support;
283 1.10 dholland but we can't write them.)
284 1.10 dholland
285 1.10 dholland Ideally someone would write ext3 and/or ext4 code, whether integrated
286 1.10 dholland with or separate from the ext2 code we already have. It might also
287 1.10 dholland make sense to port or wrap the Linux ext3 or ext4 code so it can be
288 1.10 dholland loaded as a GPL'd kernel module; it isn't clear if that would be more
289 1.10 dholland or less work than doing an implementation.
290 1.10 dholland
291 1.10 dholland Note however that implementing ext3 has already defeated several
292 1.10 dholland people; this is a harder project than it looks.
293 1.10 dholland
294 1.17 jdolecek - GSoc 2016 brought support for extents, and also ro support for dir
295 1.17 jdolecek hashes; jdolecek also implemented several frequently used ext4 features
296 1.17 jdolecek so most contemporary ext filesystems should be possible to mount
297 1.17 jdolecek read-write
298 1.28 andvar - still need rw dir_nhash and xattr (semi-easy), and eventually journaling
299 1.17 jdolecek (hard)
300 1.10 dholland - There is no clear timeframe or release target.
301 1.28 andvar - jdolecek is working on improving ext3/ext4 support (particularly
302 1.28 andvar journaling)
303 1.10 dholland
304 1.10 dholland
305 1.30 nia 13. Port hammer from Dragonfly
306 1.10 dholland ------------------------------
307 1.10 dholland
308 1.10 dholland While the motivation for and role of hammer isn't perhaps super
309 1.10 dholland persuasive, it would still be good to have it. Porting it from
310 1.10 dholland Dragonfly is probably not that painful (compared to, say, zfs) but as
311 1.10 dholland the Dragonfly and NetBSD VFS layers have diverged in different
312 1.10 dholland directions from the original 4.4BSD, may not be entirely trivial
313 1.10 dholland either.
314 1.10 dholland
315 1.21 dholland - As of January 2017 nobody is known to be working on this.
316 1.10 dholland - There is no clear timeframe or release target.
317 1.10 dholland - There probably isn't any particular person to contact; for VFS
318 1.10 dholland concerns contact dholland or hannken.
319 1.10 dholland
320 1.10 dholland
321 1.30 nia 14. afs maintenance
322 1.10 dholland -------------------
323 1.10 dholland
324 1.10 dholland AFS needs periodic care and feeding to continue working as NetBSD
325 1.10 dholland changes, because the kernel-level bits aren't kept in the NetBSD tree
326 1.10 dholland and don't get updated with other things. This is an ongoing issue that
327 1.10 dholland always seems to need more manpower than it gets. It might make sense
328 1.10 dholland to import some of the kernel AFS code, or maybe even just some of the
329 1.10 dholland glue layer that it uses, in order to keep it more current.
330 1.10 dholland
331 1.10 dholland - jakllsch sometimes works on this.
332 1.10 dholland - We would like every release to have working AFS by the time it's
333 1.10 dholland released.
334 1.10 dholland - Contact jakllsch or gendalia about AFS; for VFS concerns contact
335 1.10 dholland dholland or hannken.
336 1.10 dholland
337 1.10 dholland
338 1.30 nia 15. execute-in-place
339 1.10 dholland --------------------
340 1.10 dholland
341 1.10 dholland It is likely that the future includes non-volatile storage (so-called
342 1.10 dholland "nvram") that looks like RAM from the perspective of software. Most
343 1.10 dholland importantly: the storage is memory-mapped rather than looking like a
344 1.10 dholland disk controller. There are a number of things NetBSD ought to have to
345 1.10 dholland be ready for this, of which probably the most important is
346 1.10 dholland "execute-in-place": when an executable is run from such storage, and
347 1.10 dholland mapped into user memory with mmap, the storage hardware pages should
348 1.10 dholland be able to appear directly in user memory. Right now they get
349 1.10 dholland gratuitously copied into RAM, which is slow and wasteful. There are
350 1.10 dholland also other reasons (e.g. embedded device ROMs) to want execute-in-
351 1.10 dholland place support.
352 1.10 dholland
353 1.10 dholland Note that at the implementation level this is a UVM issue rather than
354 1.10 dholland strictly a storage issue.
355 1.10 dholland
356 1.10 dholland Also note that one does not need access to nvram hardware to work on
357 1.10 dholland this issue; given the performance profiles touted for nvram
358 1.10 dholland technologies, a plain RAM disk like md(4) is sufficient both
359 1.10 dholland structurally and for performance analysis.
360 1.10 dholland
361 1.21 dholland - As of January 2017 nobody is known to be working on this. Some
362 1.10 dholland time back, uebayasi wrote some preliminary patches, but they were
363 1.10 dholland rejected by the UVM maintainers.
364 1.10 dholland - There is no clear timeframe or release target.
365 1.10 dholland - Contact dholland for further information.
366 1.10 dholland
367 1.10 dholland
368 1.30 nia 16. use extended attributes for ACL and capability storage
369 1.15 christos ----------------------------------------------------------
370 1.15 christos
371 1.15 christos Currently there is some support for extended attributes in ffs,
372 1.15 christos but nothing really uses it. I would be nice if we came up with
373 1.15 christos a standard format to store ACL's and capabilities like Linux has.
374 1.15 christos The various tools must be modified to understand this and be able
375 1.15 christos to copy them if requested. Also tools to manipulate the data will
376 1.15 christos need to be written.
377 1.15 christos
378 1.21 dholland
379 1.30 nia 17. coda maintenance
380 1.10 dholland --------------------
381 1.10 dholland
382 1.10 dholland Coda only sort of works. [And I think it's behind relative to
383 1.10 dholland upstream, or something of the sort; XXX fill this in.] Also the code
384 1.10 dholland appears to have an ugly incestuous relationship with FFS. This should
385 1.10 dholland really be cleaned up. That or maybe it's time to remove Coda.
386 1.10 dholland
387 1.21 dholland - As of January 2017 nobody is known to be working on this.
388 1.10 dholland - There is no clear timeframe or release target.
389 1.10 dholland - There isn't anyone in particular to contact.
390 1.15 christos - Circa 2012 christos made it work read-write and split it
391 1.15 christos into modules. Since then christos has not tested it.
392 1.9 agc
393 1.21 dholland
394 1.9 agc Alistair Crooks, David Holland
395 1.10 dholland Fri Nov 20 02:17:53 EST 2015
396 1.12 dholland Sun May 1 16:50:42 EDT 2016 (some updates)
397 1.21 dholland Fri Jan 13 00:40:50 EST 2017 (some more updates)
398 1.12 dholland
399